The cypherpunks list degenerated a long time ago to the point where I have no idea why more than 500 people are still receiving it every day. As part of cleaning up the email system on toad.com, I plan to shut down the cypherpunks-unedited list, which receives all the traffic sent to cypherpunks@toad.com, within the next week or two. I suggest that anyone who wants to talk or listen about encryption should send mail to: cryptography-request@wasabisystems.com with a one-line plain text message saying "subscribe". This will begin the process of subscribing them to the Cryptography mailing list, which is edited to remove irrelevant postings and to keep the volume down and the discussion focused. (I tried to do this with the cypherpunks list some years ago, but was shouted down by people who complained of "censorship". So I just left it unedited, with the expectable result that serious discussions deserted it.) If you were subscribed to the cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com list because you like to collect spam, talk with me personally and I'll see if I can help you. I have a large collection :-). The old "cypherpunks-announce" list was superseded many months ago by "meetingpunks@cryptorights.org". Cypherpunks-announce is no longer in existence. There remains a single encryption-related mailing list on toad.com, "coderpunks" which is for people who write code. John Gilmore --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo@wasabisystems.com
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, John Gilmore wrote: <snip>
As part of cleaning up the email system on toad.com, I plan to shut down the cypherpunks-unedited list, which receives all the traffic sent to cypherpunks@toad.com, within the next week or two.
Rest in peace Toad. Thank you for all that Toad was John.
John Gilmore
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:04:44AM -0800, John Gilmore wrote:
The cypherpunks list degenerated a long time ago to the point where I have no idea why more than 500 people are still receiving it every day.
As part of cleaning up the email system on toad.com, I plan to shut down the cypherpunks-unedited list, which receives all the traffic sent to cypherpunks@toad.com, within the next week or two.
I suggest that anyone who wants to talk or listen about encryption should send mail to:
cryptography-request@wasabisystems.com
Cryptography is a moderated list that is fairly tightly focused on cryptography. It's a good list. However if you are interested in the political and soceital implications of cryptography (also traditional cypherpunks topics) then cryptography is not the right list. The cypherpunks list has moved to a distributed list run from a number of sites. Each site has a different policy-- some are wide open like cypherpunks-unedited@toad, some moderated, and some are unmoderated but filter out spam. The web page http://www.lne.com/cpunk/ explains the Cypherpunks distributed mailing list in more detail and lists each node their policies and subscription info. Eric
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