Really from: dmandl@lehman.com

From: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger@lehman.com>

Torture, believe it or not, is a very effective way of police to get information. Our society bans it.

But keep in mind that it's still used often enough, just not usually against anyone with the power or credibility to speak out about it. Don't you remember the Queens police precinct that got involved in that stun-gun scandal a few years ago? --Dave (trying to give some extra business to the anonymous remailers).