Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, BillyGOTO wrote:
Nice, but the problem still remains: At this point it doesn't matter what he has done (or we say he has done). This is not a punishment. "Innocent until proofen guilty" anyone? This is the basis for the "enlightened" western society, no?
This isn't a ski mask burglary. We KNOW Saddam ruled Iraq. We KNOW what crimes were committed. Simple syllogism.
I think you might have forgotten about the other half the system, due process. Even if you "KNOW" something, you've got to go through the motions.
-- On 18 Dec 2003 at 5:40, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
I think you might have forgotten about the other half the system, due process. Even if you "KNOW" something, you've got to go through the motions.
Different rules apply in war. Despite the fact that he looked like a homeless drunk, Saddam was running the war effort from that farmhouse. So the US army can, if it should feel inclined, proceed by the rules of war, hack his head off, and nail it to a lamp post in central Baghdad with a nine inch nail. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG qi/zj9+XkASvvabTmtYfnHfq2IA9qHlMQUO8EhnG 4ILJnbXqg640CqrvRC2+jQXaK/Vy2+lnCjywdjNdO
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
On 18 Dec 2003 at 5:40, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
I think you might have forgotten about the other half the system, due process. Even if you "KNOW" something, you've got to go through the motions.
Different rules apply in war.
One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war. Or, to put this another way, we are only "at war" when it is convenient for us to be. Our Gitmo guests aren't POWs because there was no declared war. Anyone we grabbed on the fields in Irq were just "illegal combatants", while our own troops (Jessica Lynch) were "POWs". The whole thing is through and through bullshit. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org "Unbridled nationalism, as distinguished from a sane and legitimate patriotism, must give way to a wider loyalty, to the love of humanity as a whole. Bah'u'llh's statement is: "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." The Promise of World Peace http://www.us.bahai.org/interactive/pdaFiles/pwp.htm
-- On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Different rules apply in war.
J.A. Terranson wrote:
One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war.
Sure looks like war to me. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG m/LKiwI0Eg2NXtaztjmDl/9QH5F9MEMwCm99tMfj 4bhp8+U4+fNf8UBFLRCgyXRN6YbQnvk+Z6xVkFcnO
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:34:00 -0800 From: James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
-- On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Different rules apply in war.
J.A. Terranson wrote:
One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war.
Sure looks like war to me.
I guess that's why the congresscritters told Shrub to GFY when he tried to get a declaration? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org "Unbridled nationalism, as distinguished from a sane and legitimate patriotism, must give way to a wider loyalty, to the love of humanity as a whole. Bah'u'llh's statement is: "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." The Promise of World Peace http://www.us.bahai.org/interactive/pdaFiles/pwp.htm
-- J.A. Terranson:
One leettllleee problem: we are not really at war.
James A. Donald:
Sure looks like war to me.
J.A. Terranson:
I guess that's why the congresscritters told Shrub to GFY when he tried to get a declaration?
After 9/11 Congress gave the president a blank declaration of war -- names to be filled in later by presidential fiat. In addition, the original declaration of war on Iraq is still in effect, a fact that congress re-affirmed recently. The blank declaration of war is what the supreme court deemed to be an unconstitutional delegation of powers back in the 1930s. Roosevelt responded by threatening to stack the court, and the court reversed itself. The blank declaration is supposed to last for the duration of the war on terror, which was expected to last a generation, but which has proven so convenient for the government that it may well become permanent. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG HljLjS7+W9LEuxbq7VnSuM5kR+tZolVcQvGN3514 4f+D7vVmteFZvOSc2OURJhqQrdzVGAEtdAvDPRaf4
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