Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and got no hits. Surely this must have been up in the list? Can someone give me some links please? There were also some talk about some PROMIS software somewhere and modifications being made to illegally obtained copies of proprietary software. This software was then sold by the US gov to be able to spy on Canadian authoritites. Is this also true? I found the below text saved here locally, if I'm correctly informed Mr. Michael Riconosciuto went to jail for this affidavit. Can someone verify if this really is true. (It sounds bizarre but maybe this can happen in Amerika?) I am told that Michael Riconosciuto has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and many delays in diagnosis and treatment have occurred and people say it's becaus the US gov wants him dead because he knows too much. It's also rumoured that he never received a fair trial and that two of his lawyers were murdered. Because the US government does not admit anything about PROMIS he has been relegated as a nut and serious efforts to isolate him have been going on for more than a decade. A friend of mine sent me this info on the case:
Michael Riconosciuto was asked by Bill Hamilton, the proprietor of Promis, to sign an affidavit about his alterations to the software. A week before he signed, Michael was threatened. There had already been deaths around him and Michael informed his family that he was about to be murdered or jailed and that whatever the family was going to be told about him, it wasn't true, he was being framed for telling the truth. A week after signing the affidavit, Michael ended up in jail on fraudulent charges of running a drug lab.
Can someone give me some more info on this? Thank you AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO The INSLAW CASE: AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA In Re: INSLAW, INC., Debtor. CASE NO. 85-00070 (Chapter 11) ________________________________ INSLAW, INC., Plaintiff v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants. CASE NO. 85-00070 Adversary Proceeding NO. 86-0069 AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO STATE OF WASHINGTON) I, MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO, being duly sworn, do hereby state as follows: 1. During the early 1980's, I served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 2. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel-air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. EXHIBIT 1 3. The Cabazon Band of Indians are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabazon Indians also provided the Wackenhut Corporation with an enhanced ability to obtain federal contracts through the 8A Set Aside Program, and in connection with Government-owned contractor-operated (GOCO) facilities. 4. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. 5. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. 6. Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. 7. In connection with my work for Wackenhut, I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on the proprietary PROMIS computer software product. The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with responsibility for the PROMIS software. I performed the modifications to PROMIS in Indio, California; Silver Spring, Maryland; and Miami, Florida. 8. The purpose of the PROMIS software modifications that I made in 1983 and 1984 was to support a plan for the implementation of PROMIS in law enforcement and intelligence agencies worldwide. Earl W. Brian was spearheading the plan for this worldwide use of the PROMIS computer software. 9. Some of the modifications that I made were specifically designed to facilitate the implementation of PROMIS within two agencies of the Government of Canada: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS). Earl W. Brian would check with me from time to time to make certain that the work would be completed in time to satisfy the schedule for the RCMP and CSIS implementations of PROMIS. 10. The proprietary versions of PROMIS, as modified by me, was, in fact, implemented in both the RCMP and the CSIS in Canada. It was my understanding that Earl W. Brian had sold this version of PROMIS to the Government of Canada. 11. In February 1991, I had a telephone conversation with Peter Videnieks, then still employed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Videnieks attempted during this telephone conversation to persuade me not to cooperate with an independent investigation of the government's piracy of INSLAW's proprietary PROMIS software being conducted by the Committee on the Judiciary of the U.S. House of Representatives. 12. Videnieks stated that I would be rewarded for a decision not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation. Videnieks forecasted an immediate and favorable resolution of a protracted child custody dispute being prosecuted against my wife by her former husband, if I were to decide not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation. 13. Videnieks also outlined specific punishments that I could expect to receive from the U.S. Department of Justice if I cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee's investigation. 14. One punishment that Videnieks outlined was the future inclusion of me and my father in a criminal prosecution of certain business associates of mine in Orange County, California, in connection with the operation of a savings and loan institution in Orange County. By way of underscoring his power to influence such decisions at the U.S. Department of Justice, Videnieks informed me of the indictment of these business associates prior to the time when that indictment was unsealed and made public. 15. Another punishment that Videnieks threatened against me if I cooperate with the House Judiciary Commitee [sic] is prosecution by the U.S. Department of Justice for perjury. Videnieks warned me that credible witnesses would come forward to contradict any damaging claims that I made in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, and that I would subsequently be prosecuted for perjury by the U.S. Department of Justice for my testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NOT. [Signed]: Michael J. Riconosciuto Signed and sworn to before me this 21st day of March, 1991. John M. Rosellini Notary Public My Commission Expires: Sept 19, 1993
At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote:
PROMIS
Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory. Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin. However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon, all the usual suspects will come home to roost. To beat a metaphor like a, heh, dead horse... Cheers, RAH Who goes to Eliot Richardson's old church. When he ran for governor on the republican ticket, the boys from Southie made up a bumpersticker that said "Vote for Eliot, he's better than you". :-) -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 6:20 PM +0100 12/5/04, Nomen Nescio wrote:
PROMIS
Beat that horse, scraped it off the floor, sent it to the glue factory.
Seven or Eight times. Musta had kin.
And all of them were related to a guy who had a habit of holding $7,000.00 ashtrays on TV. A certain Proxmire IIRC?
However, all you have to do is drop that acronym around here, and, sooner or later, like buzzards to a shitwagon,
That should have been buzzWORDS to a shitwagon.
all the usual suspects will come home to roost.
To beat a metaphor like a, heh, dead horse...
PROMIS's yet unkept.
Cheers, RAH Who goes to Eliot Richardson's old church. When he ran for governor on the republican ticket, the boys from Southie made up a bumpersticker that said "Vote for Eliot, he's better than you". :-)
They were right too. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
--- Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. [PROMIS]
Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants? I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its actual use must reveal its purpose and function to some degree. And sure, we know that feds and other ne'er-do-wells have a bug up their ass about revealing sources and methods (unlike the public, who have no practical option in that regard) so any information that does leak is bound to be sketchy, but surely there must be _some_ accurate data available concerning its nature, especially considering the fact that it has been under development for two or three decades. Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote:
Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants?
We had a PROMIS system on our 370 something (168?) back in '81 - ran under SPF/TSO [MVS] IIRC? I always assumed the two were loosely related - I believe it was an early and crude relational DB implementation. But who the hell really knows?
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote:
Does anyone here have a good idea of what the PROMIS code actuall does; what its characteristics and capabilities are in terms of its function as an aid to intellegence analysts, logistics technicians, or consultants?
At 07:16 PM 12/5/2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
We had a PROMIS system on our 370 something (168?) back in '81 - ran under SPF/TSO [MVS] IIRC? I always assumed the two were loosely related - I believe it was an early and crude relational DB implementation. But who the hell really knows?
There are several different issues related to PROMIS 0 - What size tinfoil hat do you need? (It's probably still worth being paranoid about Echelon, but PROMIS is old hat...) 1 - Feds or somebody basically pirated their copy of the software, back when most mainframe software was expensive, and drove the company into bankruptcy rather than pay up, and they spent a lot of effort covering up their ripoff, possibly including the murder of a journalist. 2 - What are the basic capabilities of the software? I think Alif's got it about right, and remember that back in the early 80s, Codd & Date had written some really cool theory about how relational databases could and should work, but most computers didn't have the horsepower for them and the early implementations were mostly either crude or bloated. Also, mainframe software tended to be very customized, particularly if it had to interconnect with other mainframe software like somebody else's non-relational database with a different schema. 3 - What sets of data were the various spooks, feds, and staties _keeping_ in their databases, and how much of it did they share with each other or get from various other sources? If you worked with databases back in the early 80s, remember that a gigabyte of disk used to be pretty big, rather than wristwatch-sized, and a megabyte of RAM was big and cost non-trivial amounts of money, and magnetic tapes held less than 200MB and took tens of minutes to read, and big database projects typically required departments of dozens or hundreds of workers to spend months of budgeting and planning to design schemas and processes that could take months to run, instead of being ad-hoc queries any random employee can run on their desktop over lunchtime if they feel like it, and might be able to run on their pocket computer when riding home on the subway. My department's ~1983 VAX had a 1 MIPS CPU, a gig of removable disk, 4MB RAM, and two tape drives, and cost about $400K. It wasn't big iron - that was typically an order of magnitude bigger. These days, $400 will get you a 3000 MIPS CPU, a gig of RAM, and 100-200GB disk, and database software is free. It's about a million times more cost-effective, depending on whether you care more about CPU, disk, or RAM, and there's an Internet hanging out the back side that will let you use Google's farm of ~100K computers for free.
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
I've only read vague hints and rumours concerning its implicit design philosophy and architecture from the rare instances where it is mentioned at all. Yes, he code is probably classified (blah, blah, blah), but its actual use must reveal its purpose and function to some degree. And sure, we know that feds and other ne'er-do-wells have a bug up their ass about revealing sources and methods (unlike the public, who have no practical option in that regard) so any information that does leak is bound to be sketchy, but surely there must be _some_ accurate data available concerning its nature, especially considering the fact that it has been under development for two or three decades.
Yes, I have found that puzzling too. Articles I have read refer to the original version being "in the public domain". You'd think the source code would be "out there" somewhere. The least "Tin Foil Hat (TM)" version of the story I found is at Wired http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.01/inslaw.html Which gives this description: "Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases." I find the claims made about this software (it's ability to reconcile data from many different sources "automagically" ) pretty vague and frankly, a little far fetched, based on what I know about software, databases, etc. (And that's not even including the "modifications" supposedly made to install a TEMPEST back door in later versions). -Neil
--- Neil Johnson <njohnsn@njohnsn.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 20:58 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote:
[PROMIS] Yes, I have found that puzzling too.
Articles I have read refer to the original version being "in the public domain". You'd think the source code would be "out there" somewhere.
If that's true, then the government couldn't have stolen it. However, I suspect that mainfraim code of any sophistication is rarely released into the public domain. I imagine the author would be able to clear that up, assuming he has no financial reason to falsify its history.
The least "Tin Foil Hat (TM)" version of the story I found is at Wired
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.01/inslaw.html
Which gives this description:
"Designed as case-management software for federal prosecutors, PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system. Hamilton and others now claim that the DOJ has modified PROMIS to monitor intelligence operations, agents and targets, instead of legal cases."
Interesting.
I find the claims made about this software (it's ability to reconcile data from many different sources "automagically" ) pretty vague and frankly, a little far fetched, based on what I know about software, databases, etc.
No kidding. Databases are _hard_ to write efficiently, let alone to arbitrarily integrate.
(And that's not even including the "modifications" supposedly made to install a TEMPEST back door in later versions).
Perhaps I am stupid. I don't know how one would go about modifying application software to include a 'back door' that would presumably enhance its suceptibility to TEMPEST attacks. Isn't tempest all about EM spectrum signal detection and capture? Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Cryptome hosts a 2000 book excerpt on PROMIS as allegedly used by Mossad, though not much about the technical details of the program: http://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm The file has links to other information on Riconosciuto offered by Orlin Grabbe, a long-time supporter of Riconosciuto. Back then we telephoned Hamilton about his DoJ travails and he politely refused to discuss the topic. A TEMPEST backdoor in PROMIS would be interesting for what it would take configure code to emit identifiable signals. Code emits signals, as does any transmission, but not easily identifiable or correlatable with the code, but perhaps it can be done. Capabilities and sensitivity of interception is a dark world, as was TEMPEST in its early years. Now what passes for knowledge about TEMPEST is hardly all there is to know. Indeed, some think that most of the information about the technolody now in the public domain is disinfo. The TEMPEST material released under FOI to Cryptome some years ago should be seen as part of the camouflage about what's now being done in EM interception, analysis, tracking, and not least, smoke blowing. PROMIS is sufficiently old, if not a hoary horse, that it could be used now to honey-pot eager buyers to induce trust where it's not to be found, following the lead of Bill Gates, if not floater Robert Maxwell. Intel has come a long way since the lazy days of the Cold War when agent double-crossing and the inside US/USSR mil-joke-con of Mutually Assured Destruction was all to worry about.
One the claims I have problems with (from the WIRED article): But the real power of PROMIS, according to Hamilton, is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code, PROMIS can integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming. If this were true, I can guarantee that there would lots of companies clamoring for it. -Neil
At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote:
is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code,
Oh, please... Try googling the "line-count" of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 9:57 PM -0600 12/5/04, Neil Johnson wrote:
is that with a staggering 570,000 lines of computer code,
Oh, please...
Try googling the "line-count" of any major piece of software, particularly in an age of object-oriented code...
OOP is a fairly recent phenomena when we are talking about code from the '70s you know ;-) In 1980, a half million lines of code was pretty hefty.
Cheers, RAH
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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Bill Stewart
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Nomen Nescio
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