On Dec 10 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: | | Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? | | If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what would be considered geographically "safe" jurisdictions in this sense. Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten?

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote:

If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders.

I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:

And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth.

No, it's not. There are other things that can produce the same cover effects: cron jobs or daemons that fire off random chaff work just as well, without the mess of allowing UCE. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Nomen Nescio wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:

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Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz.

What about mixminion? Setting up a node is about five minutes of work on a somewhat current Linux system.

I began to implement a mixminion system just before it's release, and got sidetracked by paying work :-/ From what little time I spent on the prerelease, it was already a big improvement in installation, although to be honest, I never got a chance to look closely enough at it to have comfort as to any protocol changes (I believe there were some?). I still have that mixm box sitting in the rack, waiting for me to get off my lazy ass and play with it: I will try and make that a priority during january. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner