Maxim Kammerer <mk@dee.su> writes:

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Martin Johnson <greatfire@greatfire.org> wrote:

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This latest move was fully controlled by Google and can as such only be described as self-censorship.

The impression I am getting from my contacts at Google is that this is not true. That is, Google apparently lost to Chinese Cyber experts in being able to keep this censored keywords system up, and decided to drop it altogether. PR team then, for whatever other reasons, decided to keep complete silence on the subject.

Of course, one can then ask why didn't Google simply force HTTPS on Chinese users to begin with, but they probably considered complete block of Google by GFC too real a possibility, and were too afraid to lose market share.

[not directed at Maxim, just a general thought on this topic] Rushes to judge Google about its handling of China should probably be tempered by the knowledge what the Chinese government really wants is to push local companies like Baidu. The government's protectionist policy for Chinese web & technology companies just happens to mesh nicely with their censorship policy in this case. So if Google pushes too hard, the overall result will just be to give more market share to Baidu, which doesn't really help the cause of freedom for Chinese Internet users either. Google's executives understand this very well. There's a good argument to be made that the things they could do to look brave and principled are not the things that would actually help information freedom in China in the long run. Please note that I'm not making a "shades of gray" point, just a "complexity" point. Best, -Karl -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE