(I wrote this as a reply to Dave Deltorto, then realized there may be other Mac-using cypherpunks for whom this might be useful.) Meta-message to list: I propose a brief AGENDA ITEM on mail readers like Eudora and the DOS versions, as part of our understanding of what mail readers are out there and what may need to be hacked to incorporate PGP. RIPEM, etc. I'll speak very briefly on Eudora, and others can speak on others readers. How's this sound? Dave Deltorto writes: (part of some e-mail we exchanged....nothing sensitive, so I hope Dave doesn't mind me quoting it and distributing it to the List.) BTW, Dave is referring to my "Top Ten Reasons I Don't Use PGP" article I sent out to this list a few months back and which I forwarded to him recently.

Listen, in case I didn't mention this, I DID enjoy your Top Ten spoof, and I sort of figured that by now you had the MacPGP (do you have the .73 beta?).

I have the 0.5.3 version, which seems to work OK. Eudora (the mail reader program) has made reading PGP messages much easier--I automatically get all my mail, cut the PGP messages into the clipboard, insert them into Vantage (a text editor), rename them "message.asc", close the file, then tell MacPGP to decrypt them. Seems to work, and is a whole lot better than having to zmodem each file individually! (In case you're wondering, the combination of NETCOM, Emacs, etc. would not allow me to cut-and-paste into or out of the editor, hence the need to zmodem the files back to my home machine. Eudora takes care of all of this! I wrote, and then Dave replied:

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By the way, I've been using "Eudora," an automated mail delivery and retrieval system for the Mac. If you're interested, I can show it to you at the next Cypherpunks meeting.

Yes, I am very interested in Eudora. Could I use it to automatically gather my Internet mail off the Well? I don't know anything about it, so that may be a dumb question, but I look forward to meeting you at the next meeting where you can clue me in and show it to me.

I'll bring a copy of Eudora 1.3b119 to the next meeting (Feb. 13th). I had to ResEdit some stuff to make it work with NETCOM, with the help of a friend. Stuff like login name, location of the POP server, and expected responses. Getting it to work on the W.E.L.L. may take some hacking, but I'm sure it'll work. (NETCOM is a wonderful service, though, and you should seriously consider using it instead of the W.E.L.L....fixed monthly fee for unlimited use. If you're within one of the many POPs (points of presence, not to be confused with the "Post Office Protocol" cited above!) in the Bay Area (or L.A., Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, etc.), the connections are free. Also, you get 5 MB of storage for files, buffer space, etc., instead of the measly W.E.L.L. allotment.) -Tim -- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: waiting for the dust to settle.