Not to get conspiratorial here, but this is an interesting subject which I don't think has been explored very much. Background: Opus Dei ("God's Work") is a Catholic order (or cult, as its detractors would call it) which emphasizes strict obedience of its members, close supervision of many aspects of its members' lives, and a certain degree of secretiveness about its own activities. It is known that FBI Director Louis Freeh is a member of Opus Dei, and he sends one of his sons to an Opus Dei school. Interestingly, former agent Robert Hanssen was also an Opus Dei member. This is peculiar because Opus Dei is stridently anti-communist, and yet Hanssen was allegedly a spy for the KGB, who allegedly did significant harm to American national security, including causing the deaths of two American agents in the KGB. It's widely known that there is a significantly disproportionate number of Mormons in the FBI, but not much is known about how much influence Opus Dei might have at the FBI. Like Opus Dei, the Mormon Church supervises its members lives closely, and is secretive about its own activities. Take a look at: http://www.mond.at/opus.dei/opus.dei.uo.faq.html for some unofficial, and probably biased, information about Opus Dei. Also take a look at their official website, www.opusdei.org, to get the official story, which is probably also biased. Then draw your own conclusions and ask your own questions. I'm just bringing this up in this forum to see if anyone else has any insight or information on this topic. I've tried to keep my comments balanced and objective; I'm not trying to suggest some kind of Opus Dei conspiracy to take over the FBI or anything else beyond the accepted facts I referred to above. I'm really just wondering if anyone else has some more information about this topic.
At 08:06 AM 3/4/01 +0000, drevil@sidereal.kz wrote:
including causing the deaths of two American agents in the KGB.
Do you know what the KGB is/was? Do you know the gaff you've made, with this usage?
It's widely known that there is a significantly disproportionate number of Mormons in the FBI, but not much is known about how much influence Opus Dei might have at the FBI. Like Opus Dei, the Mormon Church supervises its members lives closely, and is secretive about its own activities.
Red Alert,,, *yawn* *stretch*
Take a look at: http://www.mond.at/opus.dei/opus.dei.uo.faq.html for
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some unofficial, and probably biased, information about Opus Dei.
That's why.
Also take a look at their official website, www.opusdei.org, to get
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the official story, which is probably also biased. Then draw your own conclusions and ask your own questions.
No. I question why you mistook cypherpunks for alt.conspiracy.fucking.kooks
I'm just bringing this up in this forum to see if anyone else has any insight or information on this topic.
I recommend a tinfoil hat. Here are some directions, save yourself,,, http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html Reese
On 4 Mar 2001 drevil@sidereal.kz wrote:
It's widely known that there is a significantly disproportionate number of Mormons in the FBI, but not much is known about how much influence Opus Dei might have at the FBI. Like Opus Dei, the Mormon Church supervises its members lives closely, and is secretive about its own activities.
There is a good reason that there are a large number of Mormons in the service of the government. Mormons are taught to obey authority from a young age. They are taught to obey the government that is in power. They also have a very strong moral code that is inflicted on them, as well as being taught not to drink or smoke or have any of those other vices that might make them a risk to those in power. They only thing that might keep them out of higher office is that they are taught to be honest. (We won't go into the intelectual dishonesty involved in the faith to begin with, but that is a rant for another time.) They also have been taught that the men of the church will save the constitution in the last days. (Which has a certain amount of irony, since most high profile Mormons in public office spend a large amount of time destroying the freedoms mentioned therein.) alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
-- At 08:06 AM 3/4/2001 +0000, drevil@sidereal.kz wrote:
Background: Opus Dei ("God's Work") is a Catholic order (or cult, as its detractors would call it) which emphasizes strict obedience of its members, close supervision of many aspects of its members' lives, and a certain degree of secretiveness about its own activities.
It is known that FBI Director Louis Freeh is a member of Opus Dei, and he sends one of his sons to an Opus Dei school.
Interestingly, former agent Robert Hanssen was also an Opus Dei member. This is peculiar because Opus Dei is stridently anti-communist, and yet Hanssen was allegedly a spy for the KGB, who allegedly did significant harm to American national security, including causing the deaths of two American agents in the [CIA].
Secretive and conspiratorial organizations are exceptionally vulnerable to infiltration and takeover by other secretive conspiratorial groups. This led to a peculiar situation among the numerous little trotskyist factions where each Trotskyite secret caucus contained an inner secret caucus controlled by yet another Trotskyite secret caucus hostile to the first secret caucus, and even though nothing much was at stake other than the official line to be upheld in pamphlets no one read, they invested huge energies in ever more complicated plots and counter plots, infiltrations and counter infiltrations. It is entirely plausible that KGB has infiltrated Opus Dei, and Opus Dei has infiltrated the KGB, and both have probably infiltrated the CIA and FBI, who are also probably spying on each other. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG HRVDSQcQMqXMmVAdeNvKnjyQDLdYEzvF/tRARKPW 4oW4SaHwDYcOMCVOHMpxvwPz6BuduEKno+YOKsY2z
At 08:06 AM 3/4/2001 +0000, drevil@sidereal.kz wrote:
It is known that FBI Director Louis Freeh is a member of Opus Dei, and he sends one of his sons to an Opus Dei school.
Interestingly, former agent Robert Hanssen was also an Opus Dei member. This is peculiar because Opus Dei is stridently anti-communist, and yet Hanssen was allegedly a spy for the KGB, who allegedly did significant harm to American national security, including causing the deaths of two American agents in the KGB.
Freeh and Hanssen attended the same church, along with Justice Scalia of the US Supreme Court - Freeh and Hanssen were apparently acquainted through church but not close friends, according to the NY Times at <http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/25/national/25SPY.html>. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles@netbox.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler
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