NSA monitors domestic cellular
ABC news anchor Peter Jennings just said that the NSA is going through their recordings of cellular phone calls to see if they can find other cellular calls similar to the one from Ted Olson's wife who was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
A great deal more the cellulars are monitored Specifically all outbound domectic traffic with an international IP address and all inbound traffic from abroard is parsed for key words and phases. Jonathan Wienke wrote:
ABC news anchor Peter Jennings just said that the NSA is going through their recordings of cellular phone calls to see if they can find other cellular calls similar to the one from Ted Olson's wife who was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Doesn't domestic surveillance of civilian cel-phone calls, without a warrant, fall into a really "Gray"[1] area? I thought NSA wasn't permitted to do that... D [1] For suitably dark and illegal values of gray At 12:36 AM -0400 9/12/01, afbrown@bellatlantic.net wrote:
A great deal more the cellulars are monitored Specifically all outbound domectic traffic with an international IP address and all inbound traffic from abroard is parsed for key words and phases.
Jonathan Wienke wrote:
ABC news anchor Peter Jennings just said that the NSA is going through their recordings of cellular phone calls to see if they can find other cellular calls similar to the one from Ted Olson's wife who was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Derek Balling wrote:
Doesn't domestic surveillance of civilian cel-phone calls, without a warrant, fall into a really "Gray"[1] area? I thought NSA wasn't permitted to do that...
If it goes out of the country it isn't domestic. -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Derek Balling wrote:
Doesn't domestic surveillance of civilian cel-phone calls, without a warrant, fall into a really "Gray"[1] area? I thought NSA wasn't permitted to do that...
If it goes out of the country it isn't domestic.
But the news was reporting about looking for "people who were on the planes calling friends and family" (e.g., other people like that Olson woman on Flt. 93), ... if they're recording THOSE calls then there's a serious question raised of "why". D -- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | dredd@megacity.org | "Conan! What is best in life?" | | Derek J. Balling | "To crush your enemies, see them | | | driven before you, and to hear the | | | lamentation of their women!" | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Derek Balling wrote:
If it goes out of the country it isn't domestic.
But the news was reporting about looking for "people who were on the planes calling friends and family" (e.g., other people like that Olson woman on Flt. 93), ... if they're recording THOSE calls then there's a serious question raised of "why".
Being in the air is considered out of the country? -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"National security"is the passphrase to the constitution. Or haven't you noticed. In this case, I don't think anyone will complain very loudly. In this case, for once, the NSA would be right, and it wouldn't just be FUD. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Derek Balling wrote:
Doesn't domestic surveillance of civilian cel-phone calls, without a warrant, fall into a really "Gray"[1] area? I thought NSA wasn't permitted to do that...
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[1] For suitably dark and illegal values of gray
At 12:36 AM -0400 9/12/01, afbrown@bellatlantic.net wrote:
A great deal more the cellulars are monitored Specifically all outbound domectic traffic with an international IP address and all inbound traffic from abroard is parsed for key words and phases.
Jonathan Wienke wrote:
ABC news anchor Peter Jennings just said that the NSA is going through their recordings of cellular phone calls to see if they can find other cellular calls similar to the one from Ted Olson's wife who was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
-- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | dredd@megacity.org | "Conan! What is best in life?" | | Derek J. Balling | "To crush your enemies, see them | | | driven before you, and to hear the | | | lamentation of their women!" | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
This is, I hate to say it, the one time I am glad that they can do this. I hope they can find out who is responsible for this. I hope some other brave souls were able to use their cell phones to provide clues to find these bastards. No, I'm still opposed to the NSA's invasion of our privacy. But in a twisted way, I hope they can track these fuckers down. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
ABC news anchor Peter Jennings just said that the NSA is going through their recordings of cellular phone calls to see if they can find other cellular calls similar to the one from Ted Olson's wife who was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
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