More "Zero Intelligence" from the public school system. http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap448.htm ----- NAVARRE, Fla. (AP) -- A high school student has been charged with violating Florida's wiretapping law after tape recording a chemistry class lecture. Asher Zaslaw, 17, pleaded not guilty to the third-degree felony in juvenile court Tuesday. She faces a variety of penalties, including community service and probation. Zaslaw said she recorded the October lecture at Navarre High School because she was having difficulty in the class and wanted to maintain good grades. [snip] -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:52:33AM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
More "Zero Intelligence" from the public school system.
Charges dropped: http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/02/28/recording.charge.01.ap/index.html
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NAVARRE, Fla. (AP) -- A high school student has been charged with violating Florida's wiretapping law after tape recording a chemistry class lecture.
Asher Zaslaw, 17, pleaded not guilty to the third-degree felony in juvenile court Tuesday. She faces a variety of penalties, including community service and probation.
Zaslaw said she recorded the October lecture at Navarre High School because she was having difficulty in the class and wanted to maintain good grades.
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-- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
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Quoting Michael H. Warfield (mhw@wittsend.com):
Charges dropped:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/02/28/recording.charge.01.ap/index.html
Ah. Apparently, saner minds prevail. Regards, Steve -- Excerpt from: Subject: ABOI: Chomsky: The Motion Picture Date: 10 Oct 1997 05:19:52 GMT Message-ID: <61kdto$7p9$6@leopard.it.wsu.edu> [cut to bunker] Dr. Loglan: The battle is turning against us. Whorf: What if there is a panic? Dr. Loglan: My super-logical soldiers will never panic! [cut to street. A truck with large speakers cruises up and down] Truck: THERE IS NO NEED TO PANIC! A IS A! RETURN TO YOUR HOMES! EXISTENCE EXISTS! THE DAM HAS NOT BROKEN!
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:55:00PM +0000, Steve Thompson wrote:
Quoting Michael H. Warfield (mhw@wittsend.com):
Charges dropped:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/02/28/recording.charge.01.ap/index.html
Ah.
Apparently, saner minds prevail.
But only after bad publicity and criminal charges being brought. Not every case will get such bad publicity; some wacky charges will stick and saner minds will *not* prevail. -Declan
Quoting Eric Cordian (emc@artifact.psychedelic.net):
NAVARRE, Fla. (AP) -- A high school student has been charged with violating Florida's wiretapping law after tape recording a chemistry class lecture.
Is it me, or is there something sadly desperate in the recent actions of various government prosecutors in their efforts to censure anyone remotely weak enough to be safely attacked? I suppose that students in Florida must now go before a Judge and obtain a warrant if they wish to tape their classes. If that succeeds, the next kid may get charged with loitering. Regards, Steve -- Excerpt from: Subject: ABOI: Chomsky: The Motion Picture Date: 10 Oct 1997 05:19:52 GMT Message-ID: <61kdto$7p9$6@leopard.it.wsu.edu> [cut to bunker] Dr. Loglan: The battle is turning against us. Whorf: What if there is a panic? Dr. Loglan: My super-logical soldiers will never panic! [cut to street. A truck with large speakers cruises up and down] Truck: THERE IS NO NEED TO PANIC! A IS A! RETURN TO YOUR HOMES! EXISTENCE EXISTS! THE DAM HAS NOT BROKEN!
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:38:50PM +0000, Steve Thompson wrote:
Quoting Eric Cordian (emc@artifact.psychedelic.net):
NAVARRE, Fla. (AP) -- A high school student has been charged with violating Florida's wiretapping law after tape recording a chemistry class lecture.
Is it me, or is there something sadly desperate in the recent actions of various government prosecutors in their efforts to censure anyone remotely weak enough to be safely attacked?
Uh... Clue alert! It was the clueless teacher who brought the charges and the prosecutor dropped them stating that the teacher could have no expectation of privacy in a classroom of 30 students. That neither sounds like the government nor the prosecutors. Just one dweeb of an inDUHvidual teacher that was a few clues short of a load. And a science teacher, as that... Shesh... No, strike that... I met my kid's physics teacher. Another fine example of those that can, do, and those that can't, teach. Took everything I could to restrain myself from embarassing the hell out of her during a parent / student swap day.
I suppose that students in Florida must now go before a Judge and obtain a warrant if they wish to tape their classes.
Me thinks you need to do a little more research before loading and firing that keyboard. Let me see that learners permit.
If that succeeds, the next kid may get charged with loitering.
Regards,
Steve
-- Excerpt from: Subject: ABOI: Chomsky: The Motion Picture Date: 10 Oct 1997 05:19:52 GMT Message-ID: <61kdto$7p9$6@leopard.it.wsu.edu>
[cut to bunker] Dr. Loglan: The battle is turning against us. Whorf: What if there is a panic? Dr. Loglan: My super-logical soldiers will never panic!
[cut to street. A truck with large speakers cruises up and down] Truck: THERE IS NO NEED TO PANIC! A IS A! RETURN TO YOUR HOMES! EXISTENCE EXISTS! THE DAM HAS NOT BROKEN!
Mike -- Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw@WittsEnd.com (The Mad Wizard) | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it!
At 6:11 PM -0500 2/28/01, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:38:50PM +0000, Steve Thompson wrote:
Quoting Eric Cordian (emc@artifact.psychedelic.net):
NAVARRE, Fla. (AP) -- A high school student has been charged with violating Florida's wiretapping law after tape recording a chemistry class lecture.
Is it me, or is there something sadly desperate in the recent actions of various government prosecutors in their efforts to censure anyone remotely weak enough to be safely attacked?
Uh... Clue alert! It was the clueless teacher who brought the charges and the prosecutor dropped them stating that the teacher could have no expectation of privacy in a classroom of 30 students. That neither sounds like the government nor the prosecutors. Just one dweeb of an inDUHvidual teacher that was a few clues short of a load.
Actually, the article says:
But Shelaine Goss, the chemistry teacher, filed a complaint and the state filed charges against the teen Feb. 5.
The "state filed charges" sounds like more than just a teacher. Probably had to get the DA's office involved. -- -- Marshall Marshall Clow Idio Software <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Uh... Clue alert! It was the clueless teacher who brought the charges and the prosecutor dropped them stating that the teacher could have no expectation of privacy in a classroom of 30 students. That neither sounds like the government nor the prosecutors.
In a criminal case, the plaintiff is the state, not the wronged individual. It was the state that filed the charges, and it was the state that dropped them after the adverse publicity started. Despite this, the student has been through a lot, including being charged with a felony, and having to enter a plea. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Quoting Eric Cordian (emc@artifact.psychedelic.net):
In a criminal case, the plaintiff is the state, not the wronged individual.
... which is something that I've found odd. Up here in the Great White North, it's the Queen who is the nominal victim of transgressions of the criminal code. Of what philosophical benefit is the transfer of `harm' from the actual victim of a crime to another entity? Of course, it doesn't change the nature of the offence but it does provides a flesh-and-blood victim-object for offences where there would otherwise be none. Is it merely a philosophical holdover from a time when the visible head of state was considered `superhuman'?
It was the state that filed the charges, and it was the state that dropped them after the adverse publicity started. Despite this, the student has been through a lot, including being charged with a felony, and having to enter a plea.
Philosophically speaking, what part of common law permits the state (or its officers) to evade responsibility for harming an appellant as a direct result of the legal process -- regardless of the eventual finding of guilt, or as it was in this case, where the state declined to pursue the charge. That the charge was laid in the first place is another matter entirely. Certainly an indicator of impropriety on the part of the state prosecutor who failed to demonstrate the safe use of brain cells, synapses and dendrites. Regards, Steve -- Excerpt from: Subject: ABOI: Chomsky: The Motion Picture Date: 10 Oct 1997 05:19:52 GMT Message-ID: <61kdto$7p9$6@leopard.it.wsu.edu> [cut to bunker] Dr. Loglan: The battle is turning against us. Whorf: What if there is a panic? Dr. Loglan: My super-logical soldiers will never panic! [cut to street. A truck with large speakers cruises up and down] Truck: THERE IS NO NEED TO PANIC! A IS A! RETURN TO YOUR HOMES! EXISTENCE EXISTS! THE DAM HAS NOT BROKEN!
Steve Thompson wrote:
Quoting Eric Cordian (emc@artifact.psychedelic.net):
In a criminal case, the plaintiff is the state, not the wronged individual.
... which is something that I've found odd. Up here in the Great White North, it's the Queen who is the nominal victim of transgressions of the criminal code.
Same here back in Blighty - or rather the "crown" or the "throne" or the monarchy in general - which is not actually an individual person in our wonderfully fictional law but a perpetual corporation which at any one time has only one member. The king dies, the crown doesn't. Which is why (in the UK) crown copyright doesn't end, and why (in most places) monarchs call themselves "we" when on the job.
Of what philosophical benefit is the transfer of `harm' from the actual victim of a crime to another entity? Of course, it doesn't change the nature of the offence but it does provides a flesh-and-blood victim-object for offences where there would otherwise be none. Is it merely a philosophical holdover from a time when the visible head of state was considered `superhuman'?
Not really I think. If I remember correctly the historical origins of this in England were in the middle ages when the central monarchy was trying to get power from the localities. There was a general move of authority from local courts and private justice, first to the common law courts (which used one law over the whole country, and were the King's courts, even though working with law based on the traditional laws of England), then to Equity (where the crown-appointed judges were able to make er, sorry, reinterpret, law) then to statute law (where Parliament made it up as it went along). So it was more about power politics than philosophical benefit. Though I bet that if you asked a late mediaeval lawyer about the philosophy they'd tell you that it is because a crime is something that threatens society. Murder, theft, rape, arson, treason & all those things are threats to us all and should be pursued by the courts even if victims don't wish to follow them up. Some other, more private wrongs (lying, cheating, adultery, defamation, unauthorised copying) just lie between the people concerned because they aren't a danger to the solidarity of society as a whole. And I guess that if you asked an early mediaeval lawyer they'd have said that the reason we need the King's law at all is to limit revenge - that without it society would collapse into vendetta. Ken
At 10:47 AM 3/1/01 +0000, Ken Brown wrote:
Though I bet that if you asked a late mediaeval lawyer about the philosophy they'd tell you that it is because a crime is something that threatens society. Murder, theft, rape, arson, treason & all those things are threats to us all and should be pursued by the courts even if victims don't wish to follow them up.
FWIW: Here in the states, it is becoming a trend for prosecutors to file domestic-violence charges even if the battered spouse declines to file.
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