I just read an interesting email that you sent concerning cracking .pwl files. I have a need to crack a .pwl file, but I don't know how to make that program work. I'm really not computer literate (if you can't tell). I am a concerned parent that has stumbled upon information that is not good regarding my teen and the Internet. Could you help me find out what these passwords are or how to work that program? I downloaded some sort of password pwl program and it showed 17 passwords, but they are encrypted. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mrs. Banks
I just read an interesting email that you sent concerning cracking .pwl files. I have a need to crack a .pwl file, but I don't know how to make that
I'm really not computer literate (if you can't tell). I am a concerned parent that has stumbled upon information that is not good regarding my teen and the Internet. Could you help me find out what these passwords are or how to work that
At 07:51 AM 1/23/01 -0600, Lori Banks wrote: program work. program?
I downloaded some sort of password pwl program and it showed 17 passwords, but they are encrypted. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mrs. Banks
Mrs. Banks - Cypherpunks is a large, noisy mailing list. In addition to talking about cryptography, privacy, and the effects on economics and politics of being able to talk and conduct business without government interference, and random other topics, we end up receiving lots of mail from people pretending to be teenagers asking us about bombs, hacking, credit cards, etc. Some of them are clueless kiddies who think we'll tell them how to steal stuff to make bombs so they can be rilly kewl d00ds, some of them are annoying kiddies who've found they can stir up lots of annoyed discussion by posting provocative or clueless questions, and some are probably cops who think they can stir up business by finding people doing stuff with Bombs and Computer Crime that make good headline material.* So don't be surprised if readers like Blank Frank take you for one of these three categories (start at the middle and work your way out), and either gives you the flames you're looking for or the abuse you deserve if you're one of the clueless types. Your message could be perfectly legitimate, but it's just dripping with troll bait.... We haven't had anybody saying their somebody's Mom who wants to break into her kid's machine before, but hey, there's a first time for everything. On the other hand, many of us were once teenagers who had parents who didn't understand us (what a surprise, eh?) and a request saying "I don't trust my kid and I want to crack his passwords to spy on him" isn't guaranteed to get more sympathy for you than for your kid. Anyway, that being said, there are only a few reasons for having lots of Microsoft password files around. One is that your son has created lots of logins on your home computer, either for his friends to use or because he's creating lots of different identities for himself. The former is something you may want to talk to him about, depending on how much control you want to have over that computer (is it his bedroom game machine or are you running the family business on it?) Another is that he has logins of his own on multiple machines using Microsoft-style logins. That's kind of odd - is he running a bunch of web pages on FrontPage-based servers, or is he cracking into corporate machines? The "17 passwords" is pretty close to a magic number, which is the number of "access devices" it takes for possessing stolen/cracked passwords to become a US Federal crime. I forget if the number is 15, in which case by asking us to crack them you're asking us to commit a Federal crime (remember the discussion about cops trying to win friends and influence headlines through entrapment?), depending on whether you have authorization to access the machines that those passwords apply to (if you give us permission to crack the passwords for your own machine, it's not a crime, but if they're the passwords for your kid's publishing accounts on commercial porn sites, that might be criminal, and if they're for accounts your kid's trying to break into, or if you're really the kid or a cop, it could be criminal.) So if you're thinking about breaking into your kid's machine, because you don't trust him, yes, you've got some relationship problems you'll have to deal with. Not much different from asking your kid where he went and having him say "Out" - either you go ask all the neighbors where he went because he won't tell you, or you work on the relationship, or you hire a private detective to track him, just as you could probably hire Access Data or somebody to break his password files, if you were willing to risk criminality. I'd recommend going for the relationship.... =================== * (Perhaps some are even good cops trying to do what they think is their job by stopping clueless kiddies from posting dangerous inaccurate information where more clueless kiddies will find it. We do have some cops and Feds on the list that are open about it, and they're good folks we go shooting with :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
I just read an interesting email that you sent concerning cracking .pwl files. I have a need to crack a .pwl file, but I don't know how to make that
I'm really not computer literate (if you can't tell). I am a concerned parent that has stumbled upon information that is not good regarding my teen and the Internet. Could you help me find out what these passwords are or how to work that
At 07:51 AM 1/23/01 -0600, Lori Banks wrote: program work. program?
I downloaded some sort of password pwl program and it showed 17
Mr. Stewart, I've just went out to the search engine I used to find the link that brought me to a message from someone (Frank someone) who gave code for a cracking the .pwl file program. I merely sent a message to that person -- who I guess was a patron of the cypherpunks list -- which, of course, IF I knew that it would've been broadcast across the nation, I would not have asked .... at any rate, I can see that I've made a grande mistake -- unfortunately, it was my first attempt at utilizing the Internet for resources. If there was any way possible to have my original request removed and forgotten, I would do so. I didn't find the original link, of course ... I don't know why somone would post that out there and then not help someone who's asking for assistance. I have decided that I've wasted entirely too much time trying to ask for assistance from people that do not want to give the requested assistance, but their opinions. I have gained much from a few that have emailed me personally and I appreciate the time and effort. It just amazes me that people are so bored in their lives that they find it necessary to... what's the word you use? "Flame" ..... I have made a mistake and have learned a lesson .... next time, I will be more educated before I send anyone anything. This cypherpunks list is much more than I asked for -- I am not some kiddie trying to do anything -- I can see where people might do that .... on the otherhand, why would folks want to be so *ugly* towards anyone? I can see now why I do not want any of my children to have access to the nation through the Internet. In this process, the problem has solved itself, as I knew it would if I left it in the hands of my Creator -- without the use of the Internet ... again, thank you for your assistance -- God bless you all as you seek the path in life that you must travel as I do the same. Sincerely, Mrs. Banks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Stewart" <bill.stewart@pobox.com> To: "Lori Banks" <Lori@bornagn.com>; <cypherpunks@toad.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:35 AM Subject: Re: Blank Frank and Lori Banks passwords,
but they are encrypted. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mrs. Banks
Mrs. Banks - Cypherpunks is a large, noisy mailing list. In addition to talking about cryptography, privacy, and the effects on economics and politics of being able to talk and conduct business without government interference, and random other topics, we end up receiving lots of mail from people pretending to be teenagers asking us about bombs, hacking, credit cards, etc. Some of them are clueless kiddies who think we'll tell them how to steal stuff to make bombs so they can be rilly kewl d00ds, some of them are annoying kiddies who've found they can stir up lots of annoyed discussion by posting provocative or clueless questions, and some are probably cops who think they can stir up business by finding people doing stuff with Bombs and Computer Crime that make good headline material.*
So don't be surprised if readers like Blank Frank take you for one of these three categories (start at the middle and work your way out), and either gives you the flames you're looking for or the abuse you deserve if you're one of the clueless types. Your message could be perfectly legitimate, but it's just dripping with troll bait.... We haven't had anybody saying their somebody's Mom who wants to break into her kid's machine before, but hey, there's a first time for everything. On the other hand, many of us were once teenagers who had parents who didn't understand us (what a surprise, eh?) and a request saying "I don't trust my kid and I want to crack his passwords to spy on him" isn't guaranteed to get more sympathy for you than for your kid.
Anyway, that being said, there are only a few reasons for having lots of Microsoft password files around. One is that your son has created lots of logins on your home computer, either for his friends to use or because he's creating lots of different identities for himself. The former is something you may want to talk to him about, depending on how much control you want to have over that computer (is it his bedroom game machine or are you running the family business on it?) Another is that he has logins of his own on multiple machines using Microsoft-style logins. That's kind of odd - is he running a bunch of web pages on FrontPage-based servers, or is he cracking into corporate machines?
The "17 passwords" is pretty close to a magic number, which is the number of "access devices" it takes for possessing stolen/cracked passwords to become a US Federal crime. I forget if the number is 15, in which case by asking us to crack them you're asking us to commit a Federal crime (remember the discussion about cops trying to win friends and influence headlines through entrapment?), depending on whether you have authorization to access the machines that those passwords apply to (if you give us permission to crack the passwords for your own machine, it's not a crime, but if they're the passwords for your kid's publishing accounts on commercial porn sites, that might be criminal, and if they're for accounts your kid's trying to break into, or if you're really the kid or a cop, it could be criminal.)
So if you're thinking about breaking into your kid's machine, because you don't trust him, yes, you've got some relationship problems you'll have to deal with. Not much different from asking your kid where he went and having him say "Out" - either you go ask all the neighbors where he went because he won't tell you, or you work on the relationship, or you hire a private detective to track him, just as you could probably hire Access Data or somebody to break his password files, if you were willing to risk criminality. I'd recommend going for the relationship....
=================== * (Perhaps some are even good cops trying to do what they think is their job by stopping clueless kiddies from posting dangerous inaccurate information where more clueless kiddies will find it. We do have some cops and Feds on the list that are open about it, and they're good folks we go shooting with :-)
Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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