i needed a good laugh today; what fortune... On 5/7/06, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:

... "Inherent foreign intelligence value is one of the metrics we must use. ... [T]he standard of what was relevant and valuable, and therefore, what was reasonable, would understandably change, I think, as smoke billowed from two American cities and a Pennsylvania farm field. And we acted accordingly." ... GEN. HAYDEN: Sure. I didn't craft the authorization. I am responding to a lawful order. All right? The attorney general has averred to the lawfulness of the order. Just to be very clear, and believe me, if there's any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it's the Fourth. And it is a reasonableness standard in the Fourth Amendment. And so what you've raised to me ,and I'm not a lawyer, and don't want to become one , what you've raised to me is, in terms of quoting the Fourth Amendment, is an issue of the Constitution. The constitutional standard is "reasonable." And we believe, I am convinced that we are lawful because what it is we're doing is reasonable. ... From General Hayden's reading of the Fourth Amendment it follows that the State must seek a search warrant only when it proposes an unreasonable search. Reductio ad absurdum.

i passed by the much expanded nedonna beach[1] landing point and facilities the other day. i am very curious to see the monetary value[2] attached to this "reasonable searching" if it ever comes to light... 1. http://www.ofcc.com/cable_locations.htm | http://www.eyeball-series.org/cablew-eyeball.htm 2. every dollar they print chips away at the value of the bills in your pocket/account. as if taxation wasn't bad enough. where is the TIA/echelon refund on 1040? *grin* http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060508/TTMONEY08/60508048... """ Gold prices still expected to climb Consumers and investors pushed demand for gold to a record level of $53.6 billion last year, fuelling the precious metal's price ever higher. ... many economists expect the US dollar to decline. "Historically, all else equal, the dollar price of gold rises as the dollar itself weakens," Murenbeeld says. """