CDR: Re: Courts interfering with election
TimMay wrote: # I thought I was jaded, but this is too much even for me to believe. # # A judge in St. Louis has ordered the polls kept open later, until 10 # pm local time. The effect will be to let more inner city, # Democrat-leaning voters vote. What a lame-ass complaint. For some reason, certain polling areas got jammed up, as in long lines. The court agreed to keep the polls open longer so the people could vote. It didn't matter who the people might vote for, despite the Democrats asking for the extended hours. The Republicans actually went into federal court to try and block this, and failed. Did you expect a Republican judge to say no since the people who might be unable to vote by the normal deadline were Democrats? What's your objection to people voting? Try not to mention a political party in your reply. Tim the Troll, yet again.
----- Original Message ----- From: <George@orwellian.org>
For some reason, certain polling areas got jammed up, as in long lines. The court agreed to keep the polls open longer so the people could vote. It didn't matter who the people might vote for, despite the Democrats asking for the extended hours.
The obvious complaint is that only select polling areas were given extended hours, when it would have been just as easy to extend voting hours for the entire region.... ... and that those areas heavily favoured the Democrats, so it probably wasn't an altruist act on their part... ... and that similar appeals made by Republicans in Kansas were rejected.
The women in Michigan did it, the women in Penn. did it, the women in Fla. did it. Wake up punks, it's the wimmens. They rule. MacN
At 8:05 PM -0600 11/7/00, Mac Norton wrote:
The women in Michigan did it, the women in Penn. did it, the women in Fla. did it. Wake up punks, it's the wimmens. They rule.
Yep. The "why can't we all just get along, it's for the children, guns are icky, we want more health care, you men leave the seat up, capitalism exploits womyn" commies and fellow travellers. The mother of all gender gaps, so to speak, is opening up. Chalk it up to too much democracy, too many things up for popular vote by the herd. One good note, though, CNN is reporting that Ohio went to Bush and that gun owners probably had a major effect. Women vs. gun owners. Why am I not surprised? If and when it comes to us shooting to protect our rights, the PMS set had better work on their marksmanship. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 8:35 PM -0500 11/7/00, George@orwellian.org wrote:
TimMay wrote: # I thought I was jaded, but this is too much even for me to believe. # # A judge in St. Louis has ordered the polls kept open later, until 10 # pm local time. The effect will be to let more inner city, # Democrat-leaning voters vote.
What a lame-ass complaint.
For some reason, certain polling areas got jammed up, as in long lines. The court agreed to keep the polls open longer so the people could vote. It didn't matter who the people might vote for, despite the Democrats asking for the extended hours.
Yes, the Democrats pushed for this. In other states, the unions gave their members the day off. At least this is the established way to buy votes. Having the courts extend the hours so that more inner city mutants can stagger down to the polls is inexcusable.
The Republicans actually went into federal court to try and block this, and failed.
And it would serve the Democretins right if an appeals court ultimately reverses the decision to extend the polling hours and throws out _all_ of the tainted votes.
Did you expect a Republican judge to say no since the people who might be unable to vote by the normal deadline were Democrats?
I expect "The polling hours are 7 a.m. to 8 p.m." to be upheld. People arrange their schedules accordingly. If they work hours such that they cannot be at the polling places during these hours, they obtain absentee ballots. Or they take personal time off of work. Or they go in an hour later. Etc.
What's your objection to people voting? Try not to mention a political party in your reply.
No, my objection is a change in the rules at the 11th hour, instigated by one party. I would be just as incensed if Palm Springs and West Palm Beach had changes made to their voting situations as a result of Republican legal actions a few hours before the polls were to close. As to your insults lobbed at me, _you're_ the one hiding behind a nym. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 09:31 PM 11/7/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: If they work hours such
that they cannot be at the polling places during these hours, they obtain absentee ballots. Or they take personal time off of work. Or they go in an hour later. Etc.
California is reported to have 20% absentee ballots, see the latimes.com
At 10:10 PM 11/7/00 -0500, David Honig wrote:
At 09:31 PM 11/7/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: If they work hours such
that they cannot be at the polling places during these hours, they obtain absentee ballots. Or they take personal time off of work. Or they go in an hour later. Etc.
California is reported to have 20% absentee ballots, see the latimes.com
Oregon has vote by mail. (Fun watching both of the major parties spending *LOTS* of time here when large numbers of people had already sent in their ballots.) One of the more interesting ballot measures in Oregon would require the government to have a conviction before being able to seize property. The arguments against are pretty interesting. The first set in the voter's pamphlet is from the Humane Society claiming that the measure would "harm animals". (When you can use the "Its for the chilldddreeennn" argument, hurting animals is the next best thing. Reminds me of the National Lampoon cover with the dog with the gun to his head. "Vote NO on measure 3 or the dog dies!") --- | Terrorists - The Boogiemen for a new Millennium. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan@ctrl-alt-del.com|
At 10:10 PM -0500 11/7/00, David Honig wrote:
At 09:31 PM 11/7/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: If they work hours such
that they cannot be at the polling places during these hours, they obtain absentee ballots. Or they take personal time off of work. Or they go in an hour later. Etc.
California is reported to have 20% absentee ballots, see the latimes.com
Exactly. There are _many_ ways to vote. The polls are open for 13 hours, 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. Claims that "working people" can't get to the polls are ludicrous. If anything, in fact, it's the Silicon Valley programmer who may have a hard time getting away from the office during those hours. In any case, the claim that St. Louis needed to have its polling hours extended into the late evening because Latisha LaFonda was incorrectly registered and couldn't vote at 10 _a.m._ is what makes it all so ludicrous. "We want the polling places to be open until at least 2:30 a.m. a half hour after the bars close. We gots to be thinkin' 'bout our con-stit-a-ents!" --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
TimMay wrote: # I thought I was jaded, but this is too much even for me to believe. # # A judge in St. Louis has ordered the polls kept open later, until 10 # pm local time. The effect will be to let more inner city, # Democrat-leaning voters vote.
What a lame-ass complaint.
For some reason, certain polling areas got jammed up, as in long lines. The court agreed to keep the polls open longer so the people could vote. It didn't matter who the people might vote for, despite the Democrats asking for the extended hours.
The Republicans actually went into federal court to try and block this, and failed.
Did you expect a Republican judge to say no since the people who might be unable to vote by the normal deadline were Democrats?
What's your objection to people voting? Try not to mention a political party in your reply.
It's not an objection to voting, it's an objection to manipulating the open and closing times of polls (in this case the closing time) to make it more convenient for a specific segment of the population. If I remember correctly, in Missouri Polls are open from 7 am to 7pm (though that could have changed), and IIRC it is mandatory for an employer to allow you time to vote. There is simply no reason for polls to have to be open longer than their allotted time, and specifically not just for specific sections of a state. If anything, it would make more sense to keep rural polls open longer, since they are often more difficult to get to. The thing is, voting should *not* be easy. It *should* require some effort (not a LOT of effort, but it should be non-trivial) so that only those who actually care to bother will. -- When money becomes the objective, truth is abandoned. --The Guru
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