From Drudge:
Gun show denies booth for man selling anthrax recipes Wed Nov 28 2001 10:20:07 ET A Phoenix gun show is refusing space to a Nebraska man who sells a book that includes directions for making anthrax! Timothy Tobiason attended gun shows in Salt Lake City where he hawked 'Advanced Biological Weapons Design and Manufacture,' including an anthrax recipe. "We have told him he cannot go, and we have refunded his money," said Bob Templeton, owner of the Crossroads of the West gun shows. http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm _______________________________________________________________________________ Want a FREE fast, secure, and permanent email address? Visit http://www.FastCircle.com
This is hardly equitable to an abandonment of free speech, nobody told him he couldn't sell his book in general, only at their gun show. Nothing wrong with that, one has a right until it effects another (and the other is the one who decides). See democracy does work. On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 mikecabot@fastcircle.com wrote:
From Drudge:
Gun show denies booth for man selling anthrax recipes Wed Nov 28 2001 10:20:07 ET
A Phoenix gun show is refusing space to a Nebraska man who sells a book that includes directions for making anthrax! Timothy Tobiason attended gun shows in Salt Lake City where he hawked 'Advanced Biological Weapons Design and Manufacture,' including an anthrax recipe.
"We have told him he cannot go, and we have refunded his money," said Bob Templeton, owner of the Crossroads of the West gun shows.
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote:
Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
Its not censorship if its not the government.
Bullshit. Any time ANY(!!!) party interferes with your free expression it is censorship. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
So by your terms, I should have the right to enter your house at 3:00am when you're asleep and make long loud ranting speeches using a bullhorn shoved in your ear? Ok, I'll be over tomorrow night, then. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote:
Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
Its not censorship if its not the government.
Bullshit. Any time ANY(!!!) party interferes with your free expression it is censorship.
k
No, that's trespass. On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote:
So by your terms, I should have the right to enter your house at 3:00am when you're asleep and make long loud ranting speeches using a bullhorn shoved in your ear?
Ok, I'll be over tomorrow night, then.
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But by preventing me from trespassing you're restricting my freedom of speech! According to you, that's illegal. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
No, that's trespass.
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote:
So by your terms, I should have the right to enter your house at 3:00am when you're asleep and make long loud ranting speeches using a bullhorn shoved in your ear?
Ok, I'll be over tomorrow night, then.
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote:
But by preventing me from trespassing you're restricting my freedom of speech! According to you, that's illegal.
Not at all. You are still free to speak, just not on my property. You have a right to engage in any behaviour until it infringes another. You're trespassing infringes my property right. My not allowing you entry doesn't effect your freedom of speech (only who is listening, which isn't a right). -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. As I would be on public land and excercising my freedom of speech, you couldn't do anything as that would be censorship. Or are you ready to submit that "Congress shall make no law ... freedom of expression" only applies to Congress? Also, I didn't receive any reply from you on your views of the parable of the ants and the cricket from your insane CACL thread... ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sunder wrote:
But by preventing me from trespassing you're restricting my freedom of speech! According to you, that's illegal.
Not at all. You are still free to speak, just not on my property.
You have a right to engage in any behaviour until it infringes another. You're trespassing infringes my property right. My not allowing you entry doesn't effect your freedom of speech (only who is listening, which isn't a right).
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