RE: Justin Berry, Jimbo Wales, and Wikipedia
We posted Eric's comments to Wikipedia, and four mintues later they had been removed. We posted a Wiki comment at the Berry entry about Wikipeida's censorship of the item and a pointer to Cryptome's hosting of the comments, and that was censored five minutes later. So an entry about the censorship was added to Cryptome's entry on Wiki. Screen shots of the process: http://cryptome.org/justin-berry.htm
John Young writes:
We posted Eric's comments to Wikipedia, and four mintues later they had been removed.
We posted a Wiki comment at the Berry entry about Wikipeida's censorship of the item and a pointer to Cryptome's hosting of the comments, and that was censored five minutes later. So an entry about the censorship was added to Cryptome's entry on Wiki.
Amazingly, when the censorship of the Berry article was discussed on "WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship", the entire Wikipedians Against Censorship project was nominated for deletion from Wikipedia by Nicholas Turnbull, one of the admins who has been banning people trying to edit the Berry article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wik... -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
John Young wrote:
We posted Eric's comments to Wikipedia, and four mintues later they had been removed.
We posted a Wiki comment at the Berry entry about Wikipeida's censorship of the item and a pointer to Cryptome's hosting of the comments, and that was censored five minutes later. So an entry about the censorship was added to Cryptome's entry on Wiki.
It's interesting that the history of Justin Berry's page shows all the edits and reversions. John's edits are still available through the history links. Also interesting is the latest history entry: 14:15, 12 March 2006 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Berry&oldid=43436000> Theresa knott <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theresa_knott> (Jimbo has asked for us to start again so let's start.) Regardless of the underlying intent, this is just another edit war. In this case, the Boss happens to be involved. I would be much more concerned if the history page were altered to conceal the edits. Didn't we predict edit wars (of a sort) back in the Depew days? -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
On 2006.03.12, at 11:00, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
Regardless of the underlying intent, this is just another edit war. In this case, the Boss happens to be involved. I would be much more concerned if the history page were altered to conceal the edits.
My understanding was that Jimbo Wales had done just that. At http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Justin_Berry#Total_rewrite.3F he wrote that he'd like to see a total re-write, and the time of that posting is also the time on the oldest version of the page that's available (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php? title=Justin_Berry&oldid=42757036). My impression was that there was an older page that Jimbo Wales had simply wiped, erasing the history, and blocking the author (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Talk:Justin_Berry#Bone_to_Pick...). Consider also the unlikihood that Jimbo started this page. From the talk page, it looks like the original article can be found at http://rookiee.aisdigital.net/ justin_article_archive/Justin_Berry.htm. /jgt -- http://tamboli.cx/
Roy Silvernail writes:
It's interesting that the history of Justin Berry's page shows all the edits and reversions. John's edits are still available through the history links.
The current history starts after Jimbo wiped the article and its revision history. It's only a few days worth, and shows only recent edits.
Regardless of the underlying intent, this is just another edit war. In this case, the Boss happens to be involved. I would be much more concerned if the history page were altered to conceal the edits.
Well of course it has. No versions of the censored article are available.
Didn't we predict edit wars (of a sort) back in the Depew days?
I wouldn't call removal of everything added to the article an edit war. An edit war is when two sides argue over differing versions of content. This is the suppression of content. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Eric Cordian wrote:
Roy Silvernail writes:
Regardless of the underlying intent, this is just another edit war. In this case, the Boss happens to be involved. I would be much more concerned if the history page were altered to conceal the edits.
Well of course it has. No versions of the censored article are available.
Apologies. That's what I get for coming late to a discussion.
Didn't we predict edit wars (of a sort) back in the Depew days?
I wouldn't call removal of everything added to the article an edit war. An edit war is when two sides argue over differing versions of content. This is the suppression of content.
It's the same thing, really. In this case, one side's preferred version is no version at all. That being said, I looked at the mirrored copy of the original article, and now I'm a bit confused as to the suppressors' agenda. The original appears balanced and factual. What's to be gained from hiding the details? -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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