Re: Single Point of Weakness is in the Works.Thank you Major Tom.
At 11:15 PM 4/13/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Strike. Learn to use STANDARD TIME FORMATS, you pathetic ex-con sellout journalist. DD/MM/YYYY is an antiquated european format.
...and MM/DD/YYYY is an antiquitated American format.
Indeed. And ambiguous. I always write out the month, which confuses americans, and telling them that its ambiguous otherwise just confuses them more :-) I have settled for "I used to work with Europeans".
You won't believe how many people who should know what IT security is about still live somewhere between 1900 and 1950.
Or use master-keyed locks...
But Norton also describes the power grid's fractal network of
Someone teach this child about fractals.
Why fractals?
Because little Kevin used that big word. Isn't he cute? Too bad its inappropriate and gratuitous.
One comment I would have is that the growing intelligence of equipment should mandate fail-safe operation, refusal to perform commands that would put the node and its surrounding area to dangerous situation.
Yes, we can all afford sanity checks in our code now. I would caution that sometimes you need to override the sanity checks, e.g., to cause a flood to save the dam. Note that overriding will often require you to go through the same control system ---not some big red lever you manually pull. Can't wait until Detroit sells Joe Sixpack a drive by wire car that thinks for him when it shouldn't, to say nothing of failing digitally (ie catastrophically). Eg, it's
better to cause traffic jam by setting all lights to red (or, even better, blinking yellow, which means here that the traffic lights aren't controlled)
All-red stops everyone, forever, or until they start to think. Blinking red is what you mean. Blinking yellow isn't in the official lexicon AFAIK. All-black = blinking red but often taken as green, leading to red asphalt. ------- There is no god and Murphy is his prophet.
In article <3E9A8FAA.A7815584@cdc.gov>, "Major Variola (ret)" <mv@cdc.gov> wrote:
Blinking yellow isn't in the official lexicon AFAIK.
I don't know if they are standardized nationally or internationally. In some areas traffic signals change at night to blinking-red for the cross street and blinking-yellow for the main road; this is intended to be similar to a two-way stop. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/vadm/vadm5p.asp -- Shields.
At 12:23 PM -0700 4/14/03, Michael Shields wrote:
In article <3E9A8FAA.A7815584@cdc.gov>, "Major Variola (ret)" <mv@cdc.gov> wrote:
Blinking yellow isn't in the official lexicon AFAIK.
I don't know if they are standardized nationally or internationally. In some areas traffic signals change at night to blinking-red for the cross street and blinking-yellow for the main road; this is intended to be similar to a two-way stop. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/vadm/vadm5p.asp -- Shields.
When I got my Massachusetts drivers license (many years ago), they used blinking yellow both ways to mean "caution", and blinking green (yes green!) to mean that the other direction had a blinking red. "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to chose from" -- somebody Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Due process for all | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz@pwpconsult.com | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Guys, let's please change the subject from now on when we are no longer talking about the original issues. One marketing vp at an old little hole in the wall company used to date things the european way on purpose, so as to look more sophisticated or some nonsense. Funny how that didn't save the company when the bubble burst. I've always preferred YYYY.MM.DD, this way you can sort things very easily. If you write the names of the months, it doesn't translate well to other languages, though it may be similar, *AND* more importantly from a geek perspective, if you do a sort, April shows as the 1st month of the year, before January - not good. If you do the reverse DD.MM.YYYY you can't sort it either since the 1st day of every month shows up 1st. Dumb. Friendly to non-geeks, but dumb. The worst annoyance I've seen is using Unix time as a timestamp on log dates. It's the most unreadable of all formats. Sorts nicely though, but what a bitch to read. (Unix time being the number of seconds in decimal since 1/1/1970.) ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 11:15 PM 4/13/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Strike. Learn to use STANDARD TIME FORMATS, you pathetic ex-con sellout journalist. DD/MM/YYYY is an antiquated european format.
...and MM/DD/YYYY is an antiquitated American format.
Indeed. And ambiguous. I always write out the month, which confuses americans, and telling them that its ambiguous otherwise just confuses them more :-) I have settled for "I used to work with Europeans".
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