AT&T won't get my business until they discontinue using Clipper. Somehow, I get the feeling that may be when hell freezes over. ... I urge anyone who is seriously concerned over Clipper to put their money where their mouth is - boycott AT&T.

Already done so. Using MCI also, though their "Friends and Family " plan stinks of bigbro also. What better why to catch up with those who skip out on their phone bills than getting the names and phone numbers of all their "friends and family", eh? In case any corporate spies from AT&T are reading: Not only do you lose my phone service, but your AT&T-Paradyne branch just lost out on modem sales too. Which is just too bad. AT&T-P. had THE best sysop-discount deal on 14400bps modems. I was all ready to buy a couple of them. Tsk tsk. -- Testes saxi solidi! ********************** Podex opacus gravedinosus est! Stanton McCandlish, SysOp: Noise in the Void Data Center BBS IndraNet: 369:1/1 FidoNet: 1:301/2 Internet: anton@hydra.unm.edu Snail: 8020 Central SE #405, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108 USA Data phone: +1-505-246-8515 (24hr, 1200-14400 v32bis, N-8-1) Vox phone: +1-505-247-3402 (bps rate varies, depends on if you woke me up...:)

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what makes more sense is to buy some at&t shares and force the issue at the next stockholders' meeting. in fact, this might be a great consciousness-raising vehicle: we could get a statement included in the proxy booklet and force a stockholder vote. as a stockholder (of about 20 shares, due to my previous life as a bell labs mts), i see cranks getting space in the booklet every year. how do they do that?

Hear, hear from another former Bell Labbie MTS.. (of course, we were in Network Support and used to have our _vendors_ call back collect if we knew they used Sprint, because the sound was so much better :-) AT&T *does* have a lot of twisted stockholder proposals. They also have more "ma & pa" individual investors than most large firms, as opposed to VC & institutional votes, so the mgt feels VERY sensitive toward shareholder votes. That's the price a firm must pay for cutting a regular dividend for N decades.. In fact, the mgt is so sensitive that they even have a near-mandatory payroll deduction program for employees to support their PAC. Really fucked! All it takes is just one share and you can propose an item for vote, but I think you need many more shareholders to join in before the vote will get anywhere near the proxy ballot. You can bet that AT&T mgt will do everything they can to discredit and/or block any vote they haven't initiated themselves. Even so, we researched this form of "protest" as a much more effective alternative to "boycotts" (which are frankly impossible in a post-industrial economy anyways) during the piss-test conflict at <my prev employer>. Any brokers or VC's here, ie. field experts? Twas part of my "12-Step Program To Kill Corporate Drug Testing" published recently in Urine Nation News. The other corporate juggler vein to swat with a machete is to approach to a firm's first/second tier customers and find a neato way to give them the shivers about the firm's offensive programs.. Like Apple wasn't exactly pleased when <my prev employer> started mumbling about insuring that all its biz partners enforced drug testing as well so that they could chalk up even more Malcum Balddick awards from the Republicans.. Mind you that AT&T earns its lunch money from corp & govt work combined with legislative tax breaks, not so much from Jane R. Consumer.. If there was anyway to make AT&T's corp/govt customers paranoid about the Wiretap chip (as they well should be!) then AT&T might reconsider - quickly!! It's happened before.. Let's see, who among AT&T's bevy of cash cows might have a lil' sumthin' to fear from having their secure comm tapped by the Feds.. Let's see, how about mainland China? Or possibly Mobile Oil? Let's apply the leverage where it will ouch the most.. pxn.