This is an open letter to L. Detweiler. You've been hot to trot, eager to go, and ready for action. What you have interpreted as silence from others has in some case been work. As you may recall, we were getting ready to go online two months ago, with Julf's machine as the server. Right after that, the penet controversy started and things were put on the back burner for a time. Let me review some of the arguments about the mechanisms of the alt.whistleblower newsgroup: 1. We want all postings to be anonymous. 2. That every posting be anonymous requires software intervention. 3. The software has to sit on some machine or machines, because it cannot easily be put into every posting client. 4. Someone will own these machines. 5. Whoever owns them must agree with the political goals of the service and be willing to take some heat for it. 6. This excludes most machines. 7. Whatever mechanism the servers use to connect with the net must also be reasonably proof against pressure. 8. The link between the newsgroup posting and the anonymity server was to be the group moderator's address, which in this case maps to a piece of software ratherthan a person. 9. A further desideratum is that multiple machines be able to perform the service, given the constraints of the deployed base of news software, which require (to my knowledge) a single address. 10. In order to have multiple machines be able to map to a single address, you need to involve DNS, Domain Name Service. 11. In order to use DNS, you need a primary server and some secondaries and someone with access to the primary DNS server to do maintenance. Now, I'll tell you what I've been doing. I've put a machine on the Internet in the last two months. Never having been a Unix system-level weenie before, I can say that I've learned a lot the details of batty software. This machine, because of the details of its connectivity, is not suitable as a worldwide server, but it would be suitable as a server for alt.whistleblower.ba, a Bay Area distribution version of the same. I've also gotten up to speed on DNS, and in fact, am running name service on said machine. (For all of you who want to know what this machine is, I'm not telling. There are still too many half configured things, like sendmail. I hate sendmail.) I would recommend that if you are interested in newsgroup creation that you read RFC 1036, which is the format for Usenet news messages. (RFC's are available from nic.ddn.mil via anon-ftp.) That plus knowing that anybody can create an alt group, and you'll be set. I hope you have your server system set up correctly before you proceed. The internet world has been without a whistleblower's newsgroup for many years; a delay of a few months will not matter much. Eric
1. We want all postings to be anonymous. 2. That every posting be anonymous requires software intervention. 3. The software has to sit on some machine or machines, because it cannot easily be put into every posting client. 4. Someone will own these machines. 5. Whoever owns them must agree with the political goals of the service and be willing to take some heat for it. 6. This excludes most machines. 7. Whatever mechanism the servers use to connect with the net must also be reasonably proof against pressure. 8. The link between the newsgroup posting and the anonymity server was to be the group moderator's address, which in this case maps to a piece of software ratherthan a person.
Well, Telecom Finland has now informed me that the final final final final delivery date for my international connection is May 26... Let's keep our fingers (and toes) crossed... Julf
This is an open letter to E. Hughes. Let me review my arguments for starting the group immediately. 1. Anonymous postings are highly controversial and will remain so for a long time. Complete respectability is probably unattainable. We should start the group and let users judge for themselves the safety of posting their material. 2. No new software is required under this scheme. 3. No new machines are required. 4. No sponsors for machines need to be sought out. In fact, under this scheme we tap into an existing vast network supplying both software and machines called `Usenet'. I think there're some RFC's on it somewhere. 5. No one other than the poster takes heat. The poster should not post if they are concerned about the risk. 6. This scheme doesn't exclude posting currently, whereas absence of anonymous servers does. 7. People already have a method of connecting to the net and posting. Reinventing the wheel is great but it will take a painful amount of time. It's been tens of thousands of years since the wheel was invented, why start from the beginning? 8. We should be extremely careful about people relying on the moderator address to forward mail. My understanding is that not all posting systems automatically do so. It seems this could easily break or be unreliable (egad!). The user should explicitly assure himself anonymity by sending to the anonymous server, not relying on this implicit approach. 9. Multiple machines for anonymity take longer to set up. We haven't even got one for Usenet posting right now (?). 10. DNS (Domain Name Service) is a great idea when n>1 machines are available. Currently n=0. 11. DNS complicates the picture, more room for error, and takes more time to pull off correctly. Does anybody have a clear idea that it would work, and if so how to implement it? Under your daunting list of prerequisites and requirements, I think we will be lucky to get something running before the next century. They are all *fine* and *genuine* as possibilities and opportunities, but they are *unnecessary* and *unbearable* as prerequisites and requirements.
The internet world has been without a whistleblower's newsgroup for many years; a delay of a few months will not matter much.
The internet sees new groups all the time, and alt groups get created at the slightest provocation and whim, and it would be ridiculous to delay the introduction of something this critical and useful, when far less useful and far more frivolous groups litter the cyberspace like bales of discarded data packets, ankle-deep. Look, apparently you haven't got any heat on the Mycotronx postings, but wouldn't you feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if they *weren't* funneled through your single machine? Ask Steve Jackson what paranoid and degenerate agents can accomplish when they have an easily-identified, portable target and some vague suspicions! The 911 document has all the criminality of a wedding announcement compared to the Mycotronx stuff! Don't these postings demonstrate there is an *immediate* need? Here's the deal. Despite how it may appear, I am not (consciously!) demeaning or downplaying anyone's efforts in this group and idea. I think it is great that a lot of people have a lot of ideas and are looking at the big picture and long run, making commitments. I am too! But I think we absolutely *must* start immediately. We are not going to get anywhere if someone says ``oh, *I'm* the one that's working on that---don't worry about it, just you wait, something real neat-o is going to come along any day now, wink wink.'' <heavy dejected sigh> Haven't we been through all this before? I have nothing to do nor do a lot of others until *something* is in place! I think major improvements in software only come in the heat of use, not in the languid comfort of theory and planning. We can be exploring the weakness and the uses of the system *immediately*. We don't have to have controversial postings to the group, starting out. Currently, though, I just think there is just no momentum without a group. Which comes first, the anonymous servers or the group? Obviously, the *group*! Here's my idea. For *now*, lets just use alt.whistleblower as a *clearinghouse* of material that was *already posted* elsewhere on the net. That is, nobody takes any personal risk. They just keep their eyes out for stuff that appears in other places that fits into the `whistleblowing' category and forwards it to that group. If there is any heat they just point to the original posting and say `I did nothing but forward it, don't talk to me about it.' (By the way, the Mycotronx posting is awesome whistleblower stuff, the kind that legends are made of, but I think it still might be a bit risky to post that to a Usenet group yet, even an `alt', even anonymously). Also, we can just forward interesting stuff from newspapers and magazines. No risk there. If anybody thinks they have a solid way to remain anonymous (we're talking about cypherpunks here, I'm sure they'll find a way) they can post *now* using old-fashioned methods. I really like the idea of a big unveiling of some great new shining, sparkling, shrink-wrapped Personal All-Purpose Guaranteed Anonymous Home Whistleblower Kit (tm) by Cypherpunks, Inc. accompanied by a blaring and pretentious Official Whistleblower Press Release. But (leaving aside the sheer hilarious implausibility of that *ever* happening) that would give all our evil enemies a lot of ammunition to claim that we're `violating the status quo'. There're some things that should be loudly unveiled to the witless masses, and some things that should just be silently uncovered by sharp individuals! This is in the latter category! What more can I say? Isn't the immediate need transparently clear? Does *anyone* read what I write? Am I nothing but a babbling, deranged lunatic? Just *watch* how fast I get a FAQ there, if it *ever* starts... There are now several hundred quasi-official cypherpunks, and I think a lot of them are agitated and itching for something to do! Not to mention the vast hordes out on Usenet who will be attracted to something extraordinary. Let's get the group going and turn everybody loose to have some fun! This is something that *everyone* can contribute to directly *now*, once the group is started! Let it be a funnel for our ingenuity! But we have nothing but a bunch of impatient, dissipated, wasted energy otherwise. What a shameful tragedy. I can't be a part of it. Someday, everything we're rattling about will be refined to the point of excruciating blandness and `dulldom', and we will be telling our grandkids about the heavy burdens we had to suffer to get there (back in the ol' days we had to get anonymity *by hand!* and even then people hated it and called 'em `forgeries'!). At our current impoverished rate, though, our grandkids will consider us nothing but mad eccentrics overflowing with bizarre and impractical ideas that never saw the light of day, with a few strange insights tragically ahead of time, sluggishly mired in the bogs of politics and personalities. Cypherpunks? No, more like the hapless Babbage Ciphers, stuck endlessly in the minors. ``Yeah, just wait 'til next year, we'll really show 'em then.''
This is an open letter to E. Hughes.
Let me review my arguments for starting the group immediately.
5. No one other than the poster takes heat. The poster should not post if they are concerned about the risk.
I'm curious as to what good this will be then.
Look, apparently you haven't got any heat on the Mycotronx postings, but wouldn't you feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if they *weren't* funneled through your single machine? Ask Steve Jackson what paranoid and degenerate agents can accomplish when they have an easily-identified, portable target and some vague suspicions! The 911 document has all the criminality of a wedding announcement compared to the Mycotronx stuff! Don't these postings demonstrate there is an *immediate* need?
The distributed nature of a usenet group would be nice....
have controversial postings to the group, starting out. Currently, though, I just think there is just no momentum without a group. Which comes first, the anonymous servers or the group? Obviously, the *group*!
Without controversial postings, no one will read the group. What is the point, then?
Here's my idea. For *now*, lets just use alt.whistleblower as a *clearinghouse* of material that was *already posted* elsewhere on the net. That is, nobody takes any personal risk. They just keep their eyes out for stuff that appears in other places that fits into the `whistleblowing' category and forwards it to that group. If there is any heat they just point to the original posting and say `I did nothing but forward it, don't talk to me about it.' (By the way, the Mycotronx posting is awesome whistleblower stuff, the kind that legends are made of, but I think it still might be a bit risky to post that to a Usenet group yet, even an `alt', even anonymously). Also, we can just forward interesting stuff from newspapers and magazines. No risk there. If anybody thinks they have a solid way to remain anonymous (we're talking about cypherpunks here, I'm sure they'll find a way) they can post *now* using old-fashioned methods.
Some time ago, I joined the bandwagon in opposing this "hasty" decision to form the WB group. But, I like this idea. My reason for opposing it the first time was that people's lives/jobs could be at stake. This might be a germination point for the full-blown WB group, but without the risks to it's contributers. I like this idea.
What more can I say? Isn't the immediate need transparently clear? Does *anyone* read what I write? Am I nothing but a babbling, deranged lunatic? Just *watch* how fast I get a FAQ there, if it *ever* starts...
I'm reading it. And (for once?) I agree on this subject.
There are now several hundred quasi-official cypherpunks, and I think a lot of them are agitated and itching for something to do! Not to
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Eric Hughes
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J. Michael Diehl
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Johan Helsingius
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L. Detweiler