At 07:20 PM 9/27/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
It has to do with that term 'free' or 'freedom' you keep throwing around. Your application does not do justice to the meaning of the term.
The reality is that 'freedom' means (even in crypto-anarchy circles) the right (note that word Timmy) to engage in whatever behaviour one chooses so long as it is consensual and doesn't abridge anothers right to expression.
Trying to 'shun' somebody for their non-invasive behaviour (e.g. two dykes kissing in a ball park) is the peak of anti-freedom. If a person really respects freedom it is more than 'freedom for me but not for thee'.
The kissing of the girls was nobodies business, in or out of the park in a FREE society.
Tim, you're a bigot and a hypocrite.
Now James, you've been hanging around libertarians enough to know that their extreme notion of freedom includes property rights which involve the right to exclude anyone without a pre-existing contract right to use or be on the property. Thus a stadium owner excluding lesbians or a lesbian bar excluding men are both perfect examples of liberty. To hold otherwise would mean that property didn't exist. I want the right to exclude anyone from my property (government agents for example). DCF
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Duncan Frissell wrote:
Now James, you've been hanging around libertarians enough to know that their extreme notion of freedom includes property rights which involve the right to exclude anyone without a pre-existing contract right to use or be on the property. Thus a stadium owner excluding lesbians or a lesbian bar excluding men are both perfect examples of liberty.
To hold otherwise would mean that property didn't exist. I want the right to exclude anyone from my property (government agents for example).
If it's a business and it's 'public' access then the ONLY reason you would have a right to exclude anyone would be if they interfered with your freedom to execute the business. See the comments I made about the difference between a 'private' and 'public' business. You have the same fucked up definition of 'freedom' as Tim. Not surprising. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com> wrote:
Now James, you've been hanging around libertarians enough to know that their extreme notion of freedom includes property rights which involve the right to exclude anyone without a pre-existing contract right to use or be on the property. Thus a stadium owner excluding lesbians or a lesbian bar excluding men are both perfect examples of liberty.
To hold otherwise would mean that property didn't exist. I want the right to exclude anyone from my property (government agents for example).
Then don't sell them tickets in the first place.
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