Hi All Below is an email I just fired off to pirate party international general mailing list. It covers the emergence of google glasses and how having a pro 'privacy' stance is increasingly a unintuitive term to use to describe pirate party policies. I was wondering how Zero State had or had not tackled describing the freedom of of its citizens (what I've hastily referred to as 'peer to peer privacy') against the privacy from traditional corporations/governments? Is the framework for Zero State so robust that no one needs protecting from it, or does this simply reflect the fact that there are so few structures within Zero State that one might require protection from, that this apparent contradiction has not yet been addressed? Apologies if I'm mischaracterised the movement in this question - but if you've an existing plan to tackle this dicotomy I'd love to hear it :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Monteiro Date: 17 March 2013 22:41 Subject: Google glasses and the pirate party movement's relationship with privacy To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net Hi all If one were to draw a Venn diagram between 'people who think Google glasses are cool' and 'pirate party supporters', you would have a large section of overlap between the two. That said, I think it's about time we start carefully describing the *differences *in privacy types - because what is privacy but another form of intellectual property?, e.g. we advocate: * Privacy from government snooping/profiling without appropriate civil rights oversights * Privacy from corporations holding (and losing!) data without consumer control Yet the 'peer to peer' consumer led privacy that Google glasses are accelerating the cause of, is of a different sort and already falling in this camp we have: * Photographer's freedoms to take video/pictures of public places/events * The rights to share private information of relevant to international civil rights interests (e.g. wikileaks) * The decriminalisation of file sharing of privately copyrighted works via effectively public channels I apologise if this comparison has flaws, but is only designed as an illustration. Anyhow, on to the topic at hand, Google glasses, score one for the consumers or one for the corporations? I think the answer is 'a bit of both', and I expect the governments will be planning the act of requisitioning user data recordings from cloud storage vendors as they have with phones, browsing histories, emails etc very soon. I expect tech savvy pirates have seen the beginning of the anti google glasses movement (yes, I'm calling it a movement already) with: * Banning from pubs http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2013/03/10/the-ban-on-google-glass-... * Speculation that it'll be banned in further ways http://www.zdnet.com/google-glass-expect-widespread-usage-bans-over-privacy-... * Concerns specifically about corporate/government control of the technology, excepting individual privacy issues http://www.reddit.com/r/Transhuman/comments/1afspi/this_is_the_kind_of_menta... http://stopthecyborgs.org/2013/03/03/cyborgs-a-typology/ My suggestion is that we move towards language that somehow differentiates: * Privacy-from-governments/corporations covering the first set of 'privacy' items and * What I've heard labeled 'individual freedom to think *what and how* we want', of which encompass the individual rights over data. More memorable terms may be needed though. It's important that the pirate parties remain on the right side of emerging privacy issues and don't get caught up with existing statements endorsing unnecessary corporate/government control via support of consumer technologies - whilst ideally having sufficiently coherent principles that can be applied by non-technology specialists to new challenges tomorrow's privacy challenge brings. Does anyhow want to work with me to identify this appropriate language for pirate party usage? -- -- Zero State mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Doctrine Zero" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to DoctrineZero+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE