-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 8 Jun 93 3:33:26 PDT, Timothy C. May <uunet!netcom.com!tcmay> wrote -
At a Bay Area party for hacker types in December, 1988, I was talking to a guy with longstanding computer security connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off and asked him why--after all, I'm not considered to much of a programmer by anyone _I_ know. He wouldn't elaborate, just looked at me strangely.
Funny you should mention that scenario. I've been hearing (through the proverbial grapevine, of course) that such a McCarthy-ist list does indeed exist. Of course, it _is_ rumour and should be discounted as such. Right? ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBLBSeY5RLcZSdHMBNAQFTSAQAkULlzwMom5kgQxjNGK0atpYXV6FNT7w5 whuvrHkzHU/5dE1v+JAa0ESkmw6RibaMRv7fvMbDeR5nTU0tb3e6Q1jT+TNTcG/D rqf3dCDvbQNGfHLTV/oNKpRob/ivnp6kkvOEXvHFEX+NgrqpAu9N3dGgKcv/9TvH nsE3RTkOhvE= =s44R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Paul Ferguson | The future is now. Network Integrator | History will tell the tale; Centreville, Virginia USA | We must endure and struggle fergp@sytex.com | to shape it. Stop the Wiretap (Clipper/Capstone) Chip.
talking to a guy with longstanding computer security connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off
Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request. It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies. You get all records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding. If you can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping this "list", we can see if you are on it. And if we find the list, we can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act. John
John Gilmore writes:
talking to a guy with longstanding computer security connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off
Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request. It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies. You get all records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding. If you can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping this "list", we can see if you are on it. And if we find the list, we can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.
I'll take John up on his kind offer! Though I expressed that to me this experience was kind of funny (in a devil-may-care way, I hope you all understand), it *does* raise larger issues of whether CERT is developing list of what might be called "subversives" based on hearsay evidence and innuendo. So, I'll try to pursue this and keep you folks posted. -Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.
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Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request. It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies. You get all records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding. If you can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping this "list", we can see if you are on it. And if we find the list, we can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.
I would think a quick tutorial on this would be of general interest. Could you find some time....? Thanx in advance. +-----------------------+-----------------------------+---------+ | J. Michael Diehl ;-) | I thought I was wrong once. | PGP KEY | | mdiehl@triton.unm.edu | But, I was mistaken. |available| | mike.diehl@fido.org | | Ask Me! | | (505) 299-2282 +-----------------------------+---------+ | | +------"I'm just looking for the opportunity to be -------------+ | Politically Incorrect!" <Me> | +-----If codes are outlawed, only criminals wil have codes.-----+ +----Is Big Brother in your phone? If you don't know, ask me---+
Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request. It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies. You get all records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding. If you can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping this "list", we can see if you are on it. And if we find the list, we can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.
I'd be very interested in hearing more on this... brad
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