Re:The Nazification Of America ("Show Me Your Papers" - Day 1)
Fine, I'll just order the birth certificate and get it over with, right? Wrong. New York wants affirmative proof of identity for a copy now: passport or your [missing] original birth certificate. Anyone else see a circular problem here? http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/birth.htm Identification Requirements - application must be submitted with copies of either A or B: * One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID: * Driver license * Non-Driver Photo-ID Card * Passport * Employment ID * Two (2) of the following showing the applicant's name and address: * Utility or telephone bills * Letter from a government agency dated within the last six (6) months Employment ID (like school ID) can be issued by anyone since anyone in America can employ or teach others. If you want to be fancy, pick up one of these. http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=AVE02900 DCF
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 15:51 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:
http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=AVE02900
Since I can't get anything but an error page saying my browser is not accepting cookies, even after actually accepting cookies, what is this in plain English? -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@speakeasy.net>
When last I wrote, I was facing a dilemma: how to get a copy of my brith certificate so that I could get a copy of my birth certificate :-/ I managed to "clear the hurdle" of the missing brith certificate. Kinda. Sorta maybe... So, new certificate in hand, I went off to the DMV to get my picture taken (wearing my "Frisk Me, I'm A Terrorist" T-Shirt of course). At 8:50am I was eagerly awaiting the opening of the local DMV office, and by the opening bell at 9:00, there was actually a *line* behind me! I rushed to the counter, plopped down my proof of insurance, proof of address (a recent mailed in voter reg card), my old Illinois drivers license, social security card, and held my breath. They took them, and handed me back a form to check that everything was correct prior to snapping the pic. Oddly, it wasn't: the date of birth was wrong, and it took them about 15 minutes to fix it (apparently the computers are programmed to avoid the changing of a DOB, and they were dumbfounded at how to proceed). Finally, the moment arrived, and I was the proud owner of not just a new Missouri driver's license (with clearly shoing T-Shirt on the photo), but a Missouri state ID as well. Then it was my wife's turn. Unfortunately, she was turned away: even though she had everything I did, she forgot to bring a certified copy of our marriage license! Without it, they refused to use her married name for the license... I trudged over to the city for a copy of said marriage license, and lo, of course, there was aline out the door - women of every age and description suddenly finding it necessary to get a certified copy of their marriage license! What a shocker - the Collector of Revenue is having a field day with this. She will try again tomorrow, and I certain that this time it will all "work out", but still, I am left with disturbing questions. For instance, when we went to get *her* birth certificate, why did they not give a damn *who* was asking for it? Why is everyone on earth getting to charge an extra $12.00 here and $12.00 there to allow us the privelege of complying with this absurd law (which, BTW, even the fucking British refuse to pass)? This country is out of control, bouncing endlessly between administrative fiat and endless taxation, and all we can worry about is that some ephemeral "Terrorist" is going to blow up a bus? To be honest, I'm *far* more worried that George will blow up another country that I am about some guy stealing my ID and using it to defeat democracy in Quebec.... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
J.A. Terranson wrote:
administrative fiat and endless taxation, and all we can worry about is that some ephemeral "Terrorist" is going to blow up a bus? To be honest,
Come now, J.A., you know very well that we are all afraid that somebody will smuggle a chicken from Asia into a major metropolitan area of the U.S. -- it's not the bus we're trying to stop, but the chicken, from crossing the road: while infected with something nasty and contagious. REAL ID is meant to stop the contagious-chicken smugglers. Are you one? Cheers, Jason Coombs jasonc@science.org
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Duncan Frissell wrote:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/birth.htm
Identification Requirements - application must be submitted with copies of either A or B: * One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID: * Driver license * Non-Driver Photo-ID Card * Passport * Employment ID * Two (2) of the following showing the applicant's name and address: * Utility or telephone bills * Letter from a government agency dated within the last six (6) months
Since I am out of state, the letter's return address serves as my "proof of address", however, it also (according to several city corpses^H^H^H droids) meand that I need: * One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID: * Driver license * Non-Driver Photo-ID Card * Passport *and* one of anything else. Of course, the problem is that these three require the BC... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
At 05:09 PM 7/5/2005, J.A. Terranson wrote:
OSince I am out of state, the letter's return address serves as my "proof of address", however, it also (according to several city corpses^H^H^H droids) meand that I need:
* One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID: * Driver license * Non-Driver Photo-ID Card * Passport
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one of anything else. Of course, the problem is that these three require the BC...
Your postal mail forwards from your old address, doesn't it? And your old driver's license is still valid, though the state you moved to wants to hit you up for a new one of theirs. Alternatively, if you prefer the Two From Column B menu, it should be easy to get a letter from a government agency - just get a traffic ticket (:-) or write them about something bureaucratic, like how to get a driver's license, or a complaint to your State Assemblycritter, and Bob oughta be your uncle.
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