I haven't posted here for a while. I certainly haven't posted under my old nym, for much longer. I'm not inclined to reveal it so, fuck off, don't ask. I'm wondering: http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/ No updates since Jan 2003? Last signing in Jan 2004? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=37891 brings a June 2006 date, but still. Are there no compiled installables for the Win32 platform? Is ubiquitous anonymity really a bastion of *nix geeks or do we really want it to be ubiquitous? An installable that works on Win98/2k/XP is a bare minimum, these days. Anything else is glique (geek + clique). Bah, I see why this list is in decline: all punk, no cypher. I have a day job, I can't be bothered with learning Perl and C and some other nonsense, I need a tool I can wield. Not some learning curve with no light at the end of the tunnel, except what I might create by my own invention. This list needs a low-level format. Tim was on the right path, at some point. Pity him now. -- When I want your opinion, I'll pull it out of you with pliers.
Fuck off, troll. On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 03:18:06AM -0400, Ulex Europae wrote:
I haven't posted here for a while. I certainly haven't posted under my old nym, for much longer. I'm not inclined to reveal it so, fuck off, don't ask.
I'm wondering: http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/
No updates since Jan 2003? Last signing in Jan 2004?
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=37891
brings a June 2006 date, but still.
Are there no compiled installables for the Win32 platform? Is ubiquitous anonymity really a bastion of *nix geeks or do we really want it to be ubiquitous? An installable that works on Win98/2k/XP is a bare minimum, these days. Anything else is glique (geek + clique).
Bah, I see why this list is in decline: all punk, no cypher. I have a day job, I can't be bothered with learning Perl and C and some other nonsense, I need a tool I can wield. Not some learning curve with no light at the end of the tunnel, except what I might create by my own invention.
This list needs a low-level format. Tim was on the right path, at some point. Pity him now.
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Ulex Europae wrote:
I can't be bothered with learning
And that is why you fail. Do or do not. Eugen put it rather succinctly. -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
On 10/23/06, Roy M. Silvernail <roy@rant-central.com> wrote:
Ulex Europae wrote:
I can't be bothered with learning
And that is why you fail. Do or do not.
I do not need a pilot's license to benefit from an airplane. I do not need a driver's license to benefit from an automobile. I do not need to learn C to benefit from Mixmaster software, your snipjob damaged the context of what I wrote. I do need Mixmaster software that works on the Win32 platform in that last case, and that is the major, non-troll point both you and Eugen glossed over.
Eugen put it rather succinctly.
No he didn't, he kneejerked. So did you. Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
At 4:21 PM -0400 10/24/06, Ulex Europae wrote:
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
I don't know. Why don't you write one? Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 04:21:07PM -0400, Ulex Europae wrote:
I do need Mixmaster software that works on the Win32 platform in that last case, and that is the major, non-troll point both you and Eugen glossed over.
Why don't you look into new-generation onionizers, such as Tor and i2p? As you already noticed, Mixmaster is so stable it smells funny.
Eugen put it rather succinctly.
No he didn't, he kneejerked. So did you.
Actually, no, your post had all the earmarks of a classical troll.
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
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On 10/24/06, Ulex Europae <europus@gmail.com> wrote:
... I do need Mixmaster software that works on the Win32 platform in that last case, and that is the major, non-troll point both you and Eugen glossed over....
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
shitty stacks are a common reason for networked applications, particularly on non-server variants of windows that are intentionally crippled for "revenue optimization" in redmond: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/WindowsBufferProblems my suggestion is to use a virtual machine. you could copy a statically linked mixmaster to any number of existing virtual appliances: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ customizing / managing virtual machines is a bit cumbersome right now but these problems are being worked on and should address many platform specific problems people encounter with network intensive software like anonymous mixes / onion routers.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulex Europae" <europus@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mixmaster?
Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
Start with the obvious: What purpose would it serve? You say you "need" one, why? Why do you need to run a server? The client for Mixmaster is an email client. As a result there is no need for a billion mixmaster servers out there, since the high bandwidth big mail systems run on UNIX, and those are the primary target for Mixmaster, I really don't see the purpose in supporting anything else. Joe
Ulex Europae wrote:
I do not need to learn C to benefit from Mixmaster software, your snipjob damaged the context of what I wrote.
If you want to run it on that Redmond stuff, then I guess you do, actually. (or run a VM, as suggested upthread).
I do need Mixmaster software that works on the Win32 platform in that last case, and that is the major, non-troll point both you and Eugen glossed over.
Didn't gloss over it. The motto 'round here is "Cypherpunks Write Code", and while it's honored more in the breach, it still stands. Perhaps you are needy, but you picked precisely the wrong tone for your little chastisement. Getting in the collective face of the developers of the software you "need" isn't neighborly. You also forget that it's both free and Free. You want guaranteed development results? The usual process is RFQ->PO->check.
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
Because \polite{Windows networking is not the best environment one could use}. The workarounds are a royal pain. And since Windows isn't the only choice anymore, a lot of us have moved on to where things aren't broken by design. (got raw sockets?) Go the VM route. On Windows, it'll hurt the least. http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ubuntu.html -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
Here's a free VM generator. I have no idea if it can be configured to support Mixmaster: http://www.easyvmx.com/ As for the tone, it doesn't hurt to have a fire lit under one's butt sometimes. Although I agree with the 'Cypherpunks Write Code' paradigm, the other half of the coin is that if only Cypherpunks write (and use!) code then we might as well walk around with targets painted on our jackets. It wouldn't hurt to have a Win32 Mixmaster client, so long as no one doing anything important believes that it'd be all that secure. (On the other hand, f*ck 'em if they do...) -TD
From: "Roy M. Silvernail" <roy@rant-central.com> To: cypherpunks@jfet.org Subject: Re: Mixmaster? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:33:02 -0400
Ulex Europae wrote:
I do not need to learn C to benefit from Mixmaster software, your snipjob damaged the context of what I wrote.
If you want to run it on that Redmond stuff, then I guess you do, actually. (or run a VM, as suggested upthread).
I do need Mixmaster software that works on the Win32 platform in that last case, and that is the major, non-troll point both you and Eugen glossed over.
Didn't gloss over it. The motto 'round here is "Cypherpunks Write Code", and while it's honored more in the breach, it still stands.
Perhaps you are needy, but you picked precisely the wrong tone for your little chastisement. Getting in the collective face of the developers of the software you "need" isn't neighborly. You also forget that it's both free and Free. You want guaranteed development results? The usual process is RFQ->PO->check.
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
Because \polite{Windows networking is not the best environment one could use}. The workarounds are a royal pain. And since Windows isn't the only choice anymore, a lot of us have moved on to where things aren't broken by design. (got raw sockets?)
Go the VM route. On Windows, it'll hurt the least. http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ubuntu.html -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Ulex Europae wrote:
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
Who cares? Why should people put effort into supporting win32? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "Surely the larger lesson learned from that day is that other men, all over the world, took inspiration not from the heroism of the rescuers in New York or the passengers flying over Pennsylvania, but from the 19 hijackers - the twisted brilliance of their scheme and their willingness to sacrifice their lives to make a political and, as they saw it, religious statement." Richard Corliss/Time Magazine 11 Aug 2006
On 11/26/06, J.A. Terranson <measl@mfn.org> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Ulex Europae wrote:
Anyone else? Why is there still no functional software for the Win32 platform?
Who cares?
Because for better or worse, Microsoft is still the dominant OS provider around and is likely to remain so for some time to come.
Why should people put effort into supporting win32?
Let me restate that in a way that even a curmudgeon like yourself should have no trouble digesting: "...If quality tools are not available, then individuals and businesses will not use them. As long as communication encryption is not widespread, crypto rights will be vulnerable to attack as a special interest issue vs public safety..." You can read the original here: http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks@minder.net/msg21213.html Yours? Mine? Try ours. Our rights. I'll bet I can find even earlier admonitions to the same effect. --Ulex
-- Yours,
J.A. Terranson
At 8:11 PM -0500 11/26/06, Ulex Europae (yeah, *right*...) wrote:
Our rights.
:-). Funniest thing I've heard on this list in years. Exactly how did you get a "right" to someone else's work? "When the hares made speeches in the assembly and demanded that all should have equality, the lions replied, "Where are your claws and teeth?" -- attributed to Antisthenes in Aristotle, 'Politics', 3.7.2 It's hard to remember, but cypherpunks write code. Well, most of us do. :-) Their own code. You want code, you write it. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "When the hares made speeches in the assembly and demanded that all should have equality, the lions replied, "Where are your claws and teeth?" -- attributed to Antisthenes in Aristotle, 'Politics', 3.7.2
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