Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]
Tom Vogt[SMTP:tom@ricardo.de]
the muslim veil, on the other hand, IS a sharp boundary. as I understand it, it is NOT permisable to lift it in public under ANY circumstances.
rounding that up, I'd guess that if we were religious about our privacy, things may be different (possibly just more ugly, but who knows).
Be careful about making sweeping generalizations about Islamic cultures; they vary almost as much as Christian and Jewish ones. While female modesty is a widely practiced virtue, it's implementation covers a wide range, from all-encompassing covering to a simple head scarf. Jim claims it has to do with 'property rights' the husband has in the wife. This really applies more to purdah, the practice of isolating women from society as a whole, or allowing them to contact non-family males only under carefully chaperoned situations. While veiling has some application to this, it is more done to prevent inciting male lust. If you grew up in a place where the only women you saw were either relatives, or completely veiled, a bare face or a 'glimpse of stocking' would be quite exciting. I've read articles written by Western women who have lived in countries where women were required to veil completely. Some of them actually came to rather like it - under the veil they had privacy - no one could mark them as a foreigner, they could come and go anywhere as easily as a native. Underneath they could dress for comfort, not style or appearance. They felt safer. Peter Trei
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Trei, Peter wrote:
Jim claims it has to do with 'property rights' the husband has in the wife.
'had' would be more accurate. Until the mid-20'th century women were property (even in Christian countries). ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"Trei, Peter" wrote:
rounding that up, I'd guess that if we were religious about our privacy, things may be different (possibly just more ugly, but who knows).
Be careful about making sweeping generalizations about Islamic cultures; they vary almost as much as Christian and Jewish ones. While female modesty is a widely practiced virtue, it's implementation covers a wide range, from all-encompassing covering to a simple head scarf.
point taken. I've had little first-hand experience with anything in this direction, I just happen to live in a country with a considerable islamic population (among others, the largest number of turks outside turkey, according to some statistics).
Hi: I did not know about laws forbidding wearing masks. I see masks everywhere during Haloween. Is this illegal? Mark
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Mark Allyn wrote:
I did not know about laws forbidding wearing masks. I see masks everywhere during Haloween. Is this illegal?
*EVERYTHING* is Illegal. alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
It is illegal in Georgia, and a number of other Southern states of the US, to appear in public wearing a mask. Not that it's usually enforced on anybody but the Ku Klux Klan. Dunno about other countries and other states. Bear On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Mark Allyn wrote:
Hi:
I did not know about laws forbidding wearing masks. I see masks everywhere during Haloween. Is this illegal?
Mark
I believe this is correct. It's a state or local thing in the U.S. I recall Philadelphia passed an emergency anti-mask ordinance as a way to thwart mask-wearing protesters during the GOP convention: http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/gop-convention-protests.html -Declan On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 12:16:13AM -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote:
It is illegal in Georgia, and a number of other Southern states of the US, to appear in public wearing a mask.
Not that it's usually enforced on anybody but the Ku Klux Klan.
Dunno about other countries and other states.
Bear
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Mark Allyn wrote:
Hi:
I did not know about laws forbidding wearing masks. I see masks everywhere during Haloween. Is this illegal?
Mark
Ray Dillinger wrote:
It is illegal in Georgia, and a number of other Southern states of the US, to appear in public wearing a mask.
Not that it's usually enforced on anybody but the Ku Klux Klan.
Dunno about other countries and other states.
Not at all illegal over here in UK. Banks & some other offices have signs up requesting visitors to remove masks & especially motorbike helmets. Lots of cyclists wear little filter masks or bandanas round their mouths - I suspect it is a style statement more than anything else. In London & some northern cities it isn't at all rare to see Muslim women going completely veiled (though the vast majority don't - it seems to be cultural - some Arabs & East Africans go completely covered, a lot of south Asians & also European Muslims wear headscarves, but don't actually hide their faces. Turks almost never seem to wear veils but then Turks seem to dress more or less the same as Western Europeans these days, at least the ones from Istanbul & Cyprus do, who of course are the vast majority of Turks we see in London (perhaps 5% of the population of the area I live in), maybe things are differnt in Anatolia) I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a law that says the police can tell you to take a mask off. Ken
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Trei, Peter