Condit's false testimony to cops
Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them). Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking his intern or are congresscritters special objects?
At 4:22 PM -0700 7/9/01, Dynamite Bob wrote:
Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them).
It depends on the specific phrasings used. And whether he was under oath (for a "perjury" charge). If the FBI was present, a so-called "1001" violation could have occurred, though it is difficult to prove such lies.
Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking his intern or are congresscritters special objects?
Unlikely, though he may well lose his next election. Clinton lied repeatedly before a grand jury and he skated. If Clinton, er, Condit, killed the slut and dumped her body, he may skate as well. Most bodies buried deep in the woods are never found. I'll bet Clinton now wishes he'd done to Monica what he probably did to a bunch of his other enemies. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 06:37:02PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
It depends on the specific phrasings used. And whether he was under oath (for a "perjury" charge). If the FBI was present, a so-called "1001" violation could have occurred, though it is difficult to prove such lies.
Then again, there's always obstruction of justice, a catch-all Bellsian offense. See: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/condit_smith010709.html Feds Explore Condit Obstruction Allegation
If Clinton, er, Condit, killed the slut and dumped her body, he may skate as well. Most bodies buried deep in the woods are never found. I'll bet Clinton now wishes he'd done to Monica what he probably did to a bunch of his other enemies.
Heh. If I were especially conspiratorial, I'd mention that White House intern who was murdered at a Georgetown Starbucks. Ah, here's a cite: http://www.copi.com/articles/goddard/murder.html -Declan
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote:
Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them).
Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking his intern or are congresscritters special objects?
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:56:12PM -0500, measl@mfn.org wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, he said. -Declan
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, he said.
-Declan
I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one of their potential "agents of funding" on something as inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 9:12 PM -0500 7/9/01, <measl@mfn.org> wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, he said.
-Declan
I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one of their potential "agents of funding" on something as inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing...
You've got that right. Washington is worried about the chains and concrete blocks around Chandra's ankles not being enough to keep her down. The bloated bureaucracy fears the bloated body of another bimbo floating to the surface. A bimbo eruption, as it were. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
At 10:04 PM -0400 7/9/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:56:12PM -0500, measl@mfn.org wrote:
Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet?
Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, he said.
Had Condit been an unemployed chemist living with his parents in Vancouver, Washington, his house would have been raided by ninjas and his house tossed. But Condit is not that shlub. Instead, 10 weeks after being the obvious suspect in a missing person case (*), Condit has had plenty of time to sanitize his place. And to let time cause the trail to go cold. (* Most missing persons cases involving adults are cases where the adult has vanished because he or she does not want to be found. Or because they took off to Atlantic City without telling others. This case is quite different. Chandra Levy is almost certainly rotting in a grave out past Winchester. Whether Condit did it, or his angry wife did it, or he hired a hitter to do it is unclear at this time, but the "hands off" treatment he has gotten is in shocking contrast to the dawn raids delivered to Bell. And so it goes.) --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
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