Re: [eff-austin] Antispam Bills: Worse Than Spam?
Peter Harkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:06:46PM -0700, mindfuq@comcast.net wrote:
The state must protect my freedom of speech. So when I make a claim against AOL for conducting a DoS attack against me, the state must rule in my favor, or else they are failing to protect my free speech rights.
OK, for anyone who wasn't sure, it's time to stop feeding the trolls.
Troll or not, if AOL censored email in the UK* it would be illegal interception. 2 years for every interception. IMO, that's the only good thing to come from the RIP Act (the one with not-(yet)-implemented GAK). Freedom to do your own thing is great, but what if the baby bells refused to connect you to another baby bell? The benefits of a unified 'phone service are such that legislation prevents baby bells doing that, and most of us would agree with that legislation. IMO, email should be similar. But it don't solve the spam problem :-( -- Peter Fairbrother *They do censor UK email, but they do it in the US. The relevant legal phrase is "public telecommunications service provider", not "common carrier". If you offer a telecomms service (eg email) to the public in the UK then you are a PTSP, and RIPA applies to you. No choice.
* Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6186@zen.co.uk> [2003-08-07 20:09]:
Peter Harkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:06:46PM -0700, mindfuq@comcast.net wrote:
The state must protect my freedom of speech. So when I make a claim against AOL for conducting a DoS attack against me, the state must rule in my favor, or else they are failing to protect my free speech rights.
OK, for anyone who wasn't sure, it's time to stop feeding the trolls.
Troll or not, if AOL censored email in the UK* it would be illegal interception. 2 years for every interception.
Nice! I've been thinking I should move there for a while. I also heard that by 2006 London and all the major cities will have seemless wifi coverage. The reason Europe is on the ball with this is the EU just passed five laws to deregulate emerging telecom companies so they can compete with the monopolists. In the U.S., the monopolistic heavyweights are eating our lunch. Telecom policy in the U.S. is warped by huge campaign contributions. Consumers are getting butt reamed on high broadband costs, and censorship is becoming a problem.
IMO, that's the only good thing to come from the RIP Act (the one with not-(yet)-implemented GAK).
Freedom to do your own thing is great, but what if the baby bells refused to connect you to another baby bell? The benefits of a unified 'phone service are such that legislation prevents baby bells doing that, and most of us would agree with that legislation. IMO, email should be similar.
With this republican absolute "free market" philosophy, the U.S. is going to end up eating it. As soon as Europe is fully wired (and unwired) I'll have one way plane ticket in hand.
But it don't solve the spam problem :-(
That's okay- the antispammers are a bigger problem, and this needs to be attacked first. Europe is already a step ahead of the U.S. on that. I've got spamassassin to control spam.
mindfuq@comcast.net wrote:
Nice! I've been thinking I should move there for a while. I also heard that by 2006 London and all the major cities will have seemless wifi coverage. The reason Europe is on the ball with this is the EU just passed five laws to deregulate emerging telecom companies so they can compete with the monopolists.
A bit of wishful thinking here I think. [...]
But it don't solve the spam problem :-(
That's okay- the antispammers are a bigger problem, and this needs to be attacked first. Europe is already a step ahead of the U.S. on that.
This is really not true at all. In fact it is far more likely (or maybe less unlikely) that European countries would pass draconian anti-spam laws than it is in the US because they don't on the whole have the same attitude to free speech.
I've got spamassassin to control spam.
And so, maybe, do AOL. The real problem with your whole argument of the last week or so is that your mail is not passing across Mallory's back yard, or through pipes beneath his house - you are expecting him to carry it across and deliver it for you. And if he doesn't want to then he doesn't want to. Solution? Choose one of: - get your friends to use a different ISP - build your own network - get your government to take over AOL on your behalf and run it as a public utility - Get With The Program (TM) and fix your mail so it conforms with whatever arbitrary rules AOL have set up. After all SOME people manage to mail AOL customers. In their eyes you must be doing something wrong. How dare you stand against the Corporate Might (TM) of what Made America Great(TM)! - use letter post Each of the above has a downside.
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