May it please the court to spell Ed's name Feltun, or Feltren, or Fellwock, or just et al.

Perry Fellwock wrote the anonymous 1972 Ramparts article that first described Echelon. Ed Felten is Perry's namesake, though Ed believes there's no connection between worldwide misspelling of Ed's last name and getting a free-pass of Dictionary.

Perry Metzger is a different branch of the grammar diagram, find under *PLONK*, always upper case, always bi-starred as if that would not be data-mined as PAL-armed.

A bit early in the day to be hitting the sauce, eh? --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

Note that Princeton University is not a plaintiff. Though that might come later if the institution does not have contracts with any of the defendants. So it is not yet clear if the case will benefit those affiliated with an institution, which must ever supplicate to the copyright industry. Disclaimer: I'm a licensed professional, but not for anything ever discussed here, so it's not a defense for vile behavior. First cpunk meeting I went to in a Chinese greaser in Manhattan, I paraded my credential and was immediately banished forever for callow by DF, SS, SL, DM, S, RA, two narcs and a PGP-pimp. And forbidden to ever have an online sig, though I had a beauty in the works which resumed more than in fact exists, as highly educated mod-up. As with Princeton's preen to lure, to manufacture, over-self-esteemeds needing protection from the janitors.

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:15:34AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

Though I don't have a Youngese-English/English-Youngese dictionary handy, I'm pretty sure I'm the SS in question. For the record, neither I nor any of the other one and two-letter personages would ever banish our good Cypherpunk compatriot, John Young. As to the presence of two narcs and a

Quite right. We'd even immortalize the moment! http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/photosearch.cgi?name=john+young -Declan

At 10:07 AM 6/6/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:

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It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? As far as I'm concerned anyone who is curious, learns something and wants to publish should have the same rights as a prof at any university. So even if he wins the battle is far from over.

This seems like a likely outcome, part of the "credentialling of America."

There are parts of biological research which can only be done by approved, credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of various kinds.

I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can one find those related to biology? steve

At 12:45 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:

The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1996 makes nearly every facet of experimentations with potential biological warfare agents or techniques a federal crime if the proper permission slips are not obtained.

Yes, with biowar bugs, but not with human tissue or GM (euros may shudder here) research/development.

At 12:27 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote:

I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can one find those related to biology?

As far as I know, all the govt limits are controls on fed bucks to researchers. No one stops you from private research yet.

Tim

There are parts of biological research which can only be done by approved, credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of various kinds.

Weapons? Real, live useful weapons, such as small arms? John Moses Browning, father of the gas powered automatic. Producer of the first gas operated belt fed machine gun. Was a citizen gunsmith, not a corporation. The M1911, the BAR, and by extention, the FN-FAL, the 30 and 50 cal crew served machine guns. This was just a guy. Then John Garand, father of the "best battle rifle in history" the M1 Garand, the liberator of europe, from which the M14 was derived, Was a gunsmith in the employ of the department of the army. Garand declined a patent on his rifle, as he felt a patent would occlude the weapons manufacture. He was an open source kinda guy. Garand and Browning would be hunted animals under todays laws. No knocks against Eugene Stoner, the "father" of the M16, but his prototype was redesigned in committee by large corporations the likes of which brought us the M60 and other such jammomatic battle weapons. The US, by outlawing private weapons development that once allowed them to arm and deploy the most fearsome defensive force in history, has now turned to places like Belgium for the M249, and our good buddies H&K with thier 3rd Reich derived MP-series for our storm troopers.