On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
2. Operator probably trustworthy
Impossible, and unnecessary. Don't assume any remops are trustworthy.
Actually it is absolutely necessary. If all operators are willing to collude, then your precious anonymity is completely lost. A simple tracing methodology can establish this. The first remailer operator tracks the exact outgoing message to the next collusion, the second tracks to the third, etc until the message escapes, then the colluding operators track back through the list of remailers, linking based on the intermediate value being sent, until it reaches operator 1 who knows the sending address. This assumes a best case of the sender determining the path taken through encryption. Worst case the first operator can reveal the information to everyone. Joe
Run your own remailer. Chain through it at some point. As long as you trust yourself, there is no threat. Who of the current remops do you trust? Why? -MW-
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer Wolfsheim" <wolf@priori.net> To: <cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:40 AM Subject: Re: CDR: Re: re: Remailer Phases
On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
2. Operator probably trustworthy
Impossible, and unnecessary. Don't assume any remops are trustworthy.
Actually it is absolutely necessary. If all operators are willing to collude, then your precious anonymity is completely lost. A simple tracing methodology can establish this. The first remailer operator tracks the exact outgoing message to the next collusion, the second tracks to the third, etc until the message escapes, then the colluding operators track back through the list of remailers, linking based on the intermediate value being sent, until it reaches operator 1 who knows the sending address. This assumes a best case of the sender determining the path taken through encryption. Worst case the first operator can reveal the information to everyone. Joe
Run your own remailer. Chain through it at some point. As long as you trust yourself, there is no threat.
Who of the current remops do you trust? Why?
I don't trust any of them. I don't personally use remailers, I don't tend to do things that are illegal, but if I did there are other methods that I'd use. Joe
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
I don't trust any of them. I don't personally use remailers, I don't tend to do things that are illegal, but if I did there are other methods that I'd use. Joe
Illegal? Dude, there are much better reasons to use remailers. I use remailers in basically any situation where I am responsible for keeping something confidential, or when I'm writing from an account where I don't want to get spammed. I don't do a damned thing illegal, I don't think, online -- but remailers are still useful. Bear
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