Very interesting speech by Michael Moore in Cambridge July 27, 10 MB http://hem.bredband.net/b114631/tillf/Michael_Moore_in_Cambridge_04072 7.rm The file will be available for download a short period of time. Michael shows us what the upcoming election is all about.
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:35:08 -0400, Pete Capelli <pcapelli@gmail.com> wrote:
The file will be available for download a short period of time. Michael shows us what the upcoming election is all about.
It's all about a promotion tour for his movie?
Yeah, and Paul Revere rode to Lexington to promote his silversmithing business. "A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." Mr. Moore speaks eloquently for the Left, the Center, and even former right-wing folks like me to join forces to get rid of the most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American administration since Richard Nixon's. Don't whine next year about the terrible Administration if you don't take your chance this year to replace it with a much more reasonable one. Howie Goodell -- Howie Goodell hgoodell@cs.uml.edu http://goodL.org Hardware control Info Visualization User interface UMass Lowell Computer Science Doctoral Candidate
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:06:39 -0400, Howie Goodell <howie.goodell@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, and Paul Revere rode to Lexington to promote his silversmithing business. "A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." Mr. Moore speaks eloquently for the Left, the Center, and even former right-wing folks like me to join forces to get rid of the most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American administration since Richard Nixon's. Don't whine next year about the terrible Administration if you don't take your chance this year to replace it with a much more reasonable one.
Is there a viable third party candidate that I am unaware of? Other than Badnarik, that is. Being still currently undecided myself (although living in one of the 32 or so 'pre-ordained' states) I found this speech to be "most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American" ones I've listend to in awhile. (At least since the ones in Boston last week). I don't expect any better from the ones in NYC the fisrt week of september, either. I hope you're right, and that a Kerry administration would be more reasonable. From what he's said, however, I *am* cynical. In a nutshell, he would; -Continue the war in Iraq (Which he voted for as senator) -Continue the Patriot Act (Which he voted for as senator) -Raise taxes and increase spending -Increase entitlements -Prostrate the US to the UN and Europe Of other important policy decisions, he can't be pinned down to a specific answer. So now I can vote for Jack Johnson (Yale grad, skull & bones member, rich due to inheritance) or John Jackson (ditto). Pardon me for failing to see a difference. There is no more Democratic Party, or a Republican Party. There is only the Bureaocratic Party, beholden to themselves, worried only about their own perks and power. If you believe otherwise, then you've drank the Kool-aid too.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Pete Capelli wrote:
Being still currently undecided myself (although living in one of the 32 or so 'pre-ordained' states) I found this speech to be "most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American" ones I've listend to in awhile.
Define "un-American", please?
Being still currently undecided myself (although living in one of the 32 or so 'pre-ordained' states) I found this speech to be "most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American" ones I've listend to in awhile.
Define "un-American", please?
That was a direct quote from Howie Goodell's reply to me. I found it interesting that while the left continues to rail against everything Bush does, they use many (if not all) of the same tactics. Yet they are blind to that fact (willfully so). Neither side is willing to agree or concede on *any* point. While not a definition of 'un-american' in itself, is sure is a symptom.
Since I introduced the term referring to the Bush Administration -- a poor attempt at irony, but what I had in mind was the sort of American ideals embodied in our Declaration of Independence, preamble and Constitution and Bill of Rights, along with the ways these ideals worked in practice to help create a much more desirable society over the past couple centuries than countries similarly blessed with resources (Russia, Argentina.) So a few examples. More than any administration I can remember since Nixon's, this administration has disregarded, actively opposed, or perverted: Declaration of Independence: equality, human rights. Preamble to the Constitution: "a more perfect Union", justice, liberty Constitution -- torn down separation of powers, many others Bill of Rights -- read the list! Mr. Moore's speech was a rallying cry to take back our government. Would John Kerry drag us into Iraq? Would he run obscene deficits? (Hint: check his record from Graham Rudman on.) Would he raid the last of the Social Security surplus to line his friends' pockets? He may have voted for Patriot I (along with virtually the whole Congress), but he's making restoring our rights a major issue. I think one of the philosophers said the key to knowledge is not seeing similarities, but differences. Howie Goodell On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:08:29 +0200 (CEST), Thomas Shaddack <shaddack@ns.arachne.cz> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Pete Capelli wrote:
Being still currently undecided myself (although living in one of the 32 or so 'pre-ordained' states) I found this speech to be "most cynical, opportunistic, divisive, and un-American" ones I've listend to in awhile.
Define "un-American", please?
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