Re: Tim May on the end of a rope.,
Last week I urged cypherpunks to compare and contrast the noam chomsky article,"Objectivity and liberal scholarship."with the material jamesd has on display at his website.
You cite Chomsky as evidence for the truthfullness of Chomsky.<<
I suggest cypherpunks interested in the perversion of the word anarchy as used by crypto-fascists like Tim May read widely,compare and contrast.Try murray Bookchin's "the spanish anarchists"and Gaston Leval.George Orwell,Abel Paz. If you dont like chompsky.At the very least Hugh thomas.to balance jamesd's effort.
No anarchist supports a powerful,or indeed,any state
Yet you cite (as evidence that I am a liar) Ian McKay's article on the Catalonian anarchists, in which he concedes that the anarchists wound up creating what most people would call a state, indeed a terrorist dictatorship, but argues that I am lying in that such a state was a good thing, and run by nice people, deeply concerned for the welfare of the masses<<
I maintain that someone relying on your site for information on Spain,without other sources,would be misled at the very least.To leave out is another way to lie.I dont know who Ian McKay is but Durruti did say,"war makes jackals of us all" Lenin stole anarchist slogans and instituted a terrorist dictatorship.There exists a grave danger that crypto-anarchy as promoted by liars would create a terrorist dictatorship.The more knowledge we have of hirstorical anarchy we have the better.That means a wide variety of sources quoting from documents.I still prefer chomsky on spain to you jamesd.
.Jim Bell seems to be the closest thing to a trad anarchist I've seen on this site
What you are calling traditional anarchists were not "traditional" until 1938. When anarcho socialists found themselves implementing socialism in only possible form, in the form of a terrorist state, some recoiled, and some redefined anarchy to mean rule by a terror state, rule unrestricted by law and based on force, reinterpreting their pre 1936 positions in the light of the new post 1938 position.<<
"Anarcho-socialist","is redundant and unusual.Ive not come across it in wide reading of anarchist texts.Who are the 'some' you refer to? No one Ive heard of. Anarcho-statist is an oxymoron like anarcho-capitalist.There are people who call themselves anarcho-communists.I argue with them sometimes.There are a wide range of views within anarchism. Trad anarchist is what I would say those views at the center were at the time a snapshot was taken.Anarchist don't "implement"anarchism,anarchism grows organically and exponentially or lays low while marxists and nazi's rampage. If you hate authoritarian and national socialism,I agree.You go over the top mixing libertarian socialism in with them.
.The anarcho-capitalists here are fakes,phonies and frauds that are running but they cant hide,I can see the whites of their eyes.Calling ted turner socialist is not peculiar!?
Ted Turner calls himself socialist. His network used to emit commie propaganda with great regularity, though since Fox news started in competition, they have laid off the commie propaganda. CNN used to emit commie propaganda,did they? Fascinating! I rest my case at this point.Tailgunner Jamesd has the last word.
-- James A. Donald:
Yet you cite (as evidence that I am a liar) Ian McKay's article on the Catalonian anarchists, in which he concedes that the anarchists wound up creating what most people would call a state, indeed a terrorist dictatorship, but argues that I am lying in that such a state was a good thing, and run by nice people, deeply concerned for the welfare of the masses
mattd:
I maintain that someone relying on your site for information on Spain,without other sources,would be misled at the very least.To leave out is another way to lie.
Is it a lie to neglect to mention that Adolf Hitler was kind to dogs? Or that Stalin was courageous and did well in school? Or that there were lots of women that Jeffrey Dahmer did not torture, kill, and eat? It is certainly true that all sorts of nice people had all sorts of good intentions in Catalonia, but when they attempted to implement those good intentions, they mostly found themselves using the old familiar methods of recently existent socialism, and when they did not use those methods, socialism did not work. That is the important truth about Catalonia, and all the other truths, the truths that some people were sincere, the truths that some people had good intentions, are irrelevant. I do mention those truths, briefly. Unlike the sources you prefer I do not go into lengthy spiels describing those wonderful good intentions while ignoring the actual outcome. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG q+/fIX3YcyUPZS3c//ayT8ea4WovmVJkejCauMlK 4V0+mqGuW1v4QSYGF2joLRHM6on9Tfs4AGB88wstm
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