Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20030729/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_market_10 WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is setting up a stock-market style system in which investors would bet on terror attacks, assassinations and other events in the Middle East. Defense officials hope to gain intelligence and useful predictions while investors who guessed right would win profits. -j -- Jamie Lawrence jal@jal.org The strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects. - Judge Stewart Dalzell
Also, NYT Article was http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th But it sounds like they've chickened out, because various people freaked about the implications. (And they only got as far as it being "an incentive to commit terrorism", without getting to "a funding method for terrorism" or to "Assassination Politics".)
July 29, 2003 Pentagon Said to Abandon Plan for Futures Market on Terror By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon will abandon a plan to establish a futures market to help predict terrorist strikes, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said Tuesday.
Sen. John Warner, R-Va., said he spoke by phone with the program's director, "and we mutually agreed that this thing should be stopped."
Warner announced the decision not long after Senate Democratic Leader Thomas Daschle took to the floor to denounce the program as "an incentive actually to commit acts of terrorism."
Warner made the announcement during a confirmation hearing for retired Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, nominated to be Army chief of staff.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:48:11AM -0500, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is setting up a stock-market style system in which investors would bet on terror attacks, assassinations and other events in the Middle East. Defense officials hope to gain intelligence and useful predictions while investors who guessed right would win profits.
Jim Bell should have applied for a DARPA grant! (check out this and other programs at http://www.darpa.mil/iao/programs.htm) Eric
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 09:26 AM, Bill Stewart wrote:
Also, NYT Article was http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th
But it sounds like they've chickened out, because various people freaked about the implications. (And they only got as far as it being "an incentive to commit terrorism", without getting to "a funding method for terrorism" or to "Assassination Politics".)
Not to mention the obvious problems with letting government agents bid on things like when various unwanted foreign leaders would be assassinated. Gee, maybe SEAL Team 6 can do an office bid, using anonymous cutouts of course, on when SEALs will go ashore at Bandar Abbas to liquidate the Iranian prime minister? Or maybe a CIA wet work guy can make a few extra bucks in the dead pool by correctly predicting the death of the next Vince Foster? Besides being problematic in its own right, it also leaks information, a kind of covert covert channel, ironically. If the bids are truly untraceable (fat chance--the password scheme looked like a trival, breakable Gen 1 security system) then those with knowledge of operations can make money by using their knowledge, all untraceably. This was obvious long before Jim Bell became infamous. Check out writings by some of us dating back to 1988. Once again, government sets itself up as being outside the law. If I were to even make a snide remark about the assassination of You Know Who, I'd get a visit from the SS. Fucking proof that D.C. needs to be obliterated in an act of freedom fighting. Gets rid of a passal of welfare addicts, too. --Tim May "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001
And to think they put Jim Bell in jail for doing the same exact thing! ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is setting up a stock-market style system in which investors would bet on terror attacks, assassinations and other events in the Middle East. Defense officials hope to gain intelligence and useful predictions while investors who guessed right would win profits.
Yeah, too bad, I would have liked to bet that Poindexter runs for President or at least VP by 2020.... And that if he does make it, by 2024 we'll all be speaking fluent Mandarin... Hey, after Nixon, Carter, Reagan, two Bushes and a Slick Willie, why the hell not just vote for an outright criminal? ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Bill Stewart wrote:
Also, NYT Article was http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th
But it sounds like they've chickened out, because various people freaked about the implications. (And they only got as far as it being "an incentive to commit terrorism", without getting to "a funding method for terrorism" or to "Assassination Politics".)
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