...anyone catch the quote on the back of Vernor Vinge's new book, Rainbow's End? Boing Boinger Cory Doctorow says something, "More paranoid than any Cypherpunk..." Meanwhile, just a little idea popped into my head. Probably useless, but since I'm so tickled with my own cleverness I thought I'd mention it. Cypherpunks, like a lot of lists, has several servers/feeders. IS IT POSSIBLE to cryptographically "split" posts between the servers so that only when the post appears is it legible? Is this useful? Seems to open up some slightly different avenues of anonymity (ie, such a list can be by default anonymous). -TD
Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote:
Cypherpunks, like a lot of lists, has several servers/feeders. IS IT POSSIBLE to cryptographically "split" posts between the servers so that only when the post appears is it legible? Is this useful? Seems to open up some slightly different avenues of anonymity (ie, such a list can be by default anonymous).
Seems like you could do this with a slightly tweaked mixmaster-style remailer chain that allows a message to specify branching. in -> (mix steps) -> out1 + out2 + out3 Or even better, have out1, out2, and out3 diverge and run through their own mix chains with randomly-selected lengths to make it harder to correlate pieces of a message. Then you just need some up-front processing and the reverse on the client end to combine out{1,2,3} into an intelligible message. Perhaps something where each (n-1) messages can be used to produce a decryption key for the nth? Don't see why you'd do it, but it does seem nifty. -- Riad S. Wahby rsw@jfet.org
Riad Whaby wrote...
Don't see why you'd do it, but it does seem nifty.
I'm not convinced it's particularly useful, but I like the idea of a list that is by default anonymous. One thing it might do is actually disguise any anonymous remailer usage...ie, MwGs can't even determine who's trying to be anonymous. There might be some other things it gives you as well... -TD
Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina@hotmail.com) [08/05/06 09:08]: : I'm not convinced it's particularly useful, but I like the idea of a list : that is by default anonymous. One thing it might do is actually disguise : any anonymous remailer usage...ie, MwGs can't even determine who's trying : to be anonymous. There might be some other things it gives you as well... Something I'd like to see is not just distributed feeders, etc., but anonymous delivery endpoints. i.e. My subscription to the list drops to an IMAP folder in the public namespace. I'm guessing if I allow anonymous authentication to my server, and set up permissions properly, I should easily be able to allow someone to read the group via IMAP (anonymously, of course). In that vein, is cypherpunks distributed into USENET in any usable form? (It shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a mail2news gateway.) I did a quick search, and couldn't find anything (alt.cypherpunk, alt.privacy.cypherpunk, etc.). - Damian
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 02:47 -0400, Damian Gerow wrote:
In that vein, is cypherpunks distributed into USENET in any usable form? (It shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a mail2news gateway.) I did a quick search, and couldn't find anything (alt.cypherpunk, alt.privacy.cypherpunk, etc.).
Gmane handles that very simply and easily - just subscribe Gmane to the list and it sorts the rest out. http://gmane.org/ -- With Regards.. Barrie Dempster (zeedo) - Fortiter et Strenue - http://reboot-robot.net - "He who hingeth aboot, geteth hee-haw" Victor - Still Game [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
Thus spake Barrie Dempster (barrie@reboot-robot.net) [09/05/06 05:56]: : > In that vein, is cypherpunks distributed into USENET in any usable form? : (It : > shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a mail2news gateway.) I did a : > quick search, and couldn't find anything (alt.cypherpunk, : > alt.privacy.cypherpunk, etc.). : : Gmane handles that very simply and easily - just subscribe Gmane to the : list and it sorts the rest out. Sort of. I still have concerns about whether reading via Gmane is /actually/ anonymous, but said concerns are going to be present in pretty much any active form of obtaining the list. To technologically ensure anonymity, it would either need to be read via TOR (which, looking at TOR's threat model, is not that close to perfect anonymity, but may be close enough for most person's needs), or to feed it into something like Freenet. There's also the concern that not everyone carries the Gmane feed. It would probably be more effective -- not to mention simpler, potentially more anonymous, and more resilient -- to stick the list into a newgroup under the alt namespace.
On 2006-05-06T12:52:05-0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
...anyone catch the quote on the back of Vernor Vinge's new book, Rainbow's End?
Is it good? I was planning on waiting for it in paperback. -- The six phases of a project: I. Enthusiasm. IV. Search for the Guilty. II. Disillusionment. V. Punishment of the Innocent. III. Panic. VI. Praise & Honor for the Nonparticipants.
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