At 11:26 AM -0500 12/15/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:

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Ah, sorry for not explaining. I provided a link to a photo of the particular Fed (of the NIPC) who said that, and the event at which he did. No article on the topic, though you can find out more about the event at netspionage.com, I believe. --Declan

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BTW the first things the Feds are now saying when they speak in public (http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html) is that they do not come in and cart off everything you own. At least that's the latest spin. :)

I have no idea what they are saying now, or then, but the "cart off everything you own" has never been a practical reality. Most folks have too much stuff, so the Feds are not interested in clearing a place of everything. I assume this notion got started, at least in our community, during the Steve Jackson Games of a decade or so ago. In that case, the Feds took everything in the office they figured might be helpful...computers, disk drives, even printers. Thrown into boxes, more or less. Lots of damage. Presumably they left office chairs and pen holders. When they raided Bell, they didn't take everything in the house he was in. So, I agree with Ray Dillinger. I don't see any news here. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: 1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns