Right here at Cpunks-the data protection professionals. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,54416,00.html "..."Part of what Tim is trying to do is open the Internet up to different forms of human communication that are much less constrained," ..." Substitute 'J' for 'T'. Jim for instance, is one of the sweetest human beings I've ever met. His essential good-heartedness has been embedded in the culture of the Internet." Thats why ISP's want to ban IRC! http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,54184,00.html Good heartedness is undergoing violent attack,If you've yet to try this expect a satellite gap of about 1 second.(not to mention risking being declared a dacoit) Do you believe in astroturf,PRI,CATO and countless other liars for money? Dont read this... Humanity Loses $250 Billion a Year in Wild Habitat Environment News Service. Everyone is witless. Everyone is a journalist.