At 12:05 PM 4/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:

The AG Crypto story has been repeated way too often to be relied upon as a guide. Best to treat these myths as yokel bait.

Perhaps, but I worked at Cylink, a AG Crypto competitor, during those years and my second-hand information (I wasn't the product manager of any of these boxes) was that NSA did approach us to compromise certain boxes to be supplied to narco terrorists, etc. independent sales agent to Cylink (I think operating out of Miami). The compromises, from what I understand, were to made to the random number generator. As some on the list understand, with subsequent whitening compromised random number generators can be very difficult to directly detect even by experts. Other methods, such as intentional leaks which are a part of every good counter-surveillance operation, would need to be used to out bogus boxes. steve we do not win the terrorism battle / with exclusion of liberties / an un-elected president / with a brand new atrocity / make way for war time opportunists / corporate interests and their proxies / exploitation of a tragedy / to serve their ideologies / corporate military complex / continues to abuse the world / death weapons for despots / sold by the red, white and blue -- Moral Crux, Stocks and Bombs