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There's lots of work left before Tor is in a position for most users to be servers.

http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#EverybodyAServer

Hope that helps, --Roger

My hosting provider blackholed my mail for a 24 hour period so I've had to read all the replies on the archive.

Thanks for the links and input, though I did get one or two responses which misinterpreted me as suggesting the current tor network be used for anon

Thus spake Robert Hogan (robert@roberthogan.net): p2p.

Perish the thought!

Yeah, I'm going to say that I2P is much better suited to this than Tor, especially when you're talking about creating a new network anyway. For as much bashing as poor jrandom takes on this list and the wiki, I think he deserves a bit of praise for the fabulous job of software engineering he has done with I2P. The code is clean, flexible, and elegant bordering on sexy. It also exports Java Socket compatible interfaces that Java apps can readily use to be ported over (and there are python and I think C bindings as well). This has enabled the pretty straight-forward port of the Phex gnutella client, the Azureus plugin, and a native I2P bittorrent client I2PSnark. Not to mention the vast bulk of I2P performance tuning and development effort is focused on making their hidden service-like features work well, where as Tor only devotes minimal effort to this component, focusing instead on relaying to the external Internet. Plus I2P has configurable path lengths built into the GUI allowing you to sacrifice anonymity in certain applications to boost performance (either as a client or server). However, as was pointed out by enigma, any P2P mix network is going to suffer a lot more at the lack of residential upstream than normal P2P. In fact, if you use the standard pathlen of 3, any hidden service-style system is going to only have 1/6 of the total bandwidth a normal P2P system would have :( (I fear that this residential limit will likely continue to the point where the ratio is only sufficient to get ACKS back for the downstream channel... Doesn't anyone ever have to email/upload large files to work or email vids to friends? Maybe there will eventually be demand for this not to take aeons...)

One final dumb question. The torify-ing wiki says:

"BitTorrent is already using a mechanism similiar to Tor to communicate with other peers. "

Is this referring to DHT? Is it really that similar?

Yes, this is absolutely correct... In the degenerate case where there is only 1 tor network per torrent, and you were sufficiently inebriated enough to handwave cells into the same abstract concept as file segments, they are the same! Oh, and also sometimes bittorrent encrypts traffic. Plus they both use the Internets to communicate between peers! So really there is no difference. (Who wrote this garbage? ;) -- Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]