CDR: Jim Bell's House Being Searched
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house, apparently with 'authorization'. He was downstairs when his mother let them in, so says he didn't know what their explanation was for their appearance, what they were looking for, or what his mother had to say to them or vice-versa. If possible he will post info and details to cpunks later. .. Blanc
At 11:25 AM -0800 11/6/00, Blanc Weber wrote:
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house, apparently with 'authorization'. He was downstairs when his mother let them in, so says he didn't know what their explanation was for their appearance, what they were looking for, or what his mother had to say to them or vice-versa.
Maybe his use of Mapquest and other commonly available tools to identify those CIA safe houses in Oregon are the issue. As with the "Ilegal to Possess Hacking or Reverse Engineering Tools" laws, perhaps Mapquest is now on the contraband list. Or maybe John Young's spook father-in-law has finally decided that enough is enough and that it's time to crack down on all of these liberty-spouting radicals. In any case, which of us will be next? --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
From: "Tim May" <tcmay@got.net>
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house In any case, which of us will be next?
If its you, I expect I will hear about it on CNN before Cypherpunks.
At 3:53 PM -0500 11/6/00, Me wrote:
From: "Tim May" <tcmay@got.net>
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house In any case, which of us will be next?
If its you, I expect I will hear about it on CNN before Cypherpunks.
Unlikely to make CNN. A couple of raids I know about in other California towns, including Modesto and Taft, never got any attention from the national press. It takes a "high visibility" case, like the black actor blown away in L.A., or the black Haitian blown away in NYC, to generate national interest. A white guy getting shot by cops is just part of the business of getting rid of right wing extremists. Amerika--obey it or leave it. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Blanc, The election is nigh, but I would still be interested in writing about Jim Bell's apparent latest legal trouble if it escalates. (That is, if it's related to his previous arrests, and I suspect it is.) If Bell is unable to post, you or any other cpunk can reach me at 202 986 3455 or this email address. My PGP key is on the servers, and I accept anonymous mail. -Declan On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:25:38AM -0800, Blanc Weber wrote:
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house, apparently with 'authorization'. He was downstairs when his mother let them in, so says he didn't know what their explanation was for their appearance, what they were looking for, or what his mother had to say to them or vice-versa.
If possible he will post info and details to cpunks later.
.. Blanc
Amusing. I commented to one of my classmates last week that it wasn't going to be too long before Jim stuck the ugly stick in the wrong eye and someone reacted. Since when is the use of "whois" illegal? Mapquest? Public DMV records? Jim may be "invading the privacy" of these CIA agents, but if they have been negligent enough to allow that information to become public, it's their own fault. I don't recall Jim advocating any action against said CIA installation. He was just reporting public information, and making inquiries. No bombing requests... not that anyone here would be really upset if such a thing happened... Do you know what law enforcement agency these "types" represent? Can we get names and badge numbers? Hopefully we'll hear from Jim soon. Alexandra On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Blanc Weber wrote:
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house, apparently with 'authorization'. He was downstairs when his mother let them in, so says he didn't know what their explanation was for their appearance, what they were looking for, or what his mother had to say to them or vice-versa.
If possible he will post info and details to cpunks later.
.. Blanc
I think it's a bit premature to assume that the stated reason for the raid/search was Bell's posts and whois lookups. Remember, the *stated reason* last time around had nothing to do with AP. -Declan On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 02:55:41PM -0800, Alex B. Shepardsen wrote:
Amusing. I commented to one of my classmates last week that it wasn't going to be too long before Jim stuck the ugly stick in the wrong eye and someone reacted.
Since when is the use of "whois" illegal? Mapquest? Public DMV records?
Jim may be "invading the privacy" of these CIA agents, but if they have been negligent enough to allow that information to become public, it's their own fault.
I don't recall Jim advocating any action against said CIA installation. He was just reporting public information, and making inquiries. No bombing requests... not that anyone here would be really upset if such a thing happened...
Do you know what law enforcement agency these "types" represent? Can we get names and badge numbers?
Hopefully we'll hear from Jim soon.
Alexandra
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Blanc Weber wrote:
Just received word from Jim that there are some law enforcement types going through a search of his house, apparently with 'authorization'. He was downstairs when his mother let them in, so says he didn't know what their explanation was for their appearance, what they were looking for, or what his mother had to say to them or vice-versa.
If possible he will post info and details to cpunks later.
.. Blanc
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I think it's a bit premature to assume that the stated reason for the raid/search was Bell's posts and whois lookups.
Remember, the *stated reason* last time around had nothing to do with AP.
I expect the stated reason will have something to do with being a threat to federal officials or some sort of "parole violation". "Welcome to the Global Village. You are number 127.0.0.1." alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
No, that was the second raid, before he was on parole. The first one (check time.com archives) was for SSN violations or somesuch. -Declan On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 06:27:11PM -0800, Alan Olsen wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I think it's a bit premature to assume that the stated reason for the raid/search was Bell's posts and whois lookups.
Remember, the *stated reason* last time around had nothing to do with AP.
I expect the stated reason will have something to do with being a threat to federal officials or some sort of "parole violation".
"Welcome to the Global Village. You are number 127.0.0.1."
alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
No, that was the second raid, before he was on parole.
The first one (check time.com archives) was for SSN violations or somesuch.
Actually I was speaking of this time. I kind of assumed that they still had some sort of leash on him. Sounds like it was more like a roving wiretap or the like. (Or Jeff was getting ready for his performance review and needed another victim to help pad it out.)
-Declan
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 06:27:11PM -0800, Alan Olsen wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
I think it's a bit premature to assume that the stated reason for the raid/search was Bell's posts and whois lookups.
Remember, the *stated reason* last time around had nothing to do with AP.
I expect the stated reason will have something to do with being a threat to federal officials or some sort of "parole violation".
"Welcome to the Global Village. You are number 127.0.0.1."
alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
At 2:55 PM -0800 on 11/6/00, Alex B. Shepardsen wrote:
Hopefully we'll hear from Jim soon.
Here's hoping he doesn't plead this time, though to do that, he's going to need some legal funds... Cheers, RAH Whose ability to predict the outcome of these things is, historically, abominable... -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
In <20001107001727.A24362@cluebot.com>, on 11/06/00 at 11:08 PM, Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> said:
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 02:55:41PM -0800, Alex B. Shepardsen wrote: > Do you know what law enforcement agency these "types" represent? Can we > get names and badge numbers?
Reportedly: Special Agent Phillip G. Scott IRS Special Agent Jeff Gordon
'ol Jeff is at it again. I relly wish he would find a new hobby. Oh well I guess now is a good enough time as any to conduct a security aduit. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------
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