Previous Politech messages: http://www.politechbot.com/2006/04/13/why-was-moveonorg/ http://www.politechbot.com/2006/04/13/aol-blocks-e/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Politech] Why was Moveon.org blocked by AOL? Did recipients want the email messages? [sp] Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:53:05 -0700 From: John Gilmore To: Declan McCullagh CC: Politech

dearaol.com has this astroturf feature - load up a big list of email addresses and put in a pitch about dearaol, we'll mail it out for you

chances are very high that people will receive these without soliciting them - and they'll hit report as spam.

that WILL cause a block

I think this is called the "heckler's veto". If a listener doesn't like what someone is saying, just disrupt the communication enough that nobody can hear it -- like shouting "spam!" in a crowded theatre. The architecture of today's anti-spam systems is designed to automate exactly this kind of censorship. Two guys mark a message as "spam", and a thousand recipients are censored from ever knowing that it existed.

we had a similar block in place for a while before I removed it, given that the campaign does seem to have some legitimate, if highly uninformed and misguided popularity.

It's nice to know that Mr. Ramasubramanian has investigated whether dearaol's messages are "legitimate" enough that his system's recipients are permitted to see it -- after blocking them automatically. Who appointed him as the censor in a supposedly open medium? You did, dear readers: by insisting that "spam" was a plague and telling ISPs to "just make it go away". Most ISPs don't have anyone with a degree in constitutional law, nor do they have great insights about how to prevent communications in a medium designed to make communications rapid and cheap. The result was predictably ham-handed censorship, which has naturally evolved into self-serving censorship. ISPs get a lot of complaints about messages that arrive. They get very few complaints about messages that don't arrive, even if they were interesting personal messages, because the recipient doesn't know the message even existed. So self-serving ISPs tend to err on the side of censoring.

reasonable to ask: (a) Is each and every address receiving alerts from dearaol.com confirmed double-opt in?

First, is this "alert" a one-time message, or was each recipient added to a "list" that they'd have to unsubscribe from? Double opt-in is foolish for single messages. If I ask dearaol.com to send a note about AOL's email censorship to my friend Declan, without telling him first, is that a "spam"? For one thing, he's a reporter, my presumption is that he IS interested in unsolicited tips about newsworthy happenings. (Should I stop sending 'em, Declan? I know other reporters who'll be happy to get 'em instead.) Or should dearaol.com have sent Declan a message saying, "I have a message for you; would you like to receive it?". Only if he replies, would it send him a message. Except oops, it already did send him a message. It might as well have sent him the real message instead of wasting his time with a bogus interaction. (If he doesn't want to see the real message, he can ignore it just as well as he can ignore the "Do you want to see it?" message. And if he does want to see the real message, then it's right in front of him without further hassle.)

(c) Did a human at AOL intentionally block dearaol.com messages because of the content of the mailings or was it entirely automatic because so many AOLers were marking the alerts as spam?

As anti-spam censorship gets more automation, it's getting harder and harder to tell whether a censorship decision was made by an explicit human command, or merely by a machine "learning" a pattern derived from explicit human commands about "related" messages. That's why it's quite important that these human command decisions be made UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE RECIPIENT. Not by some intermediary like AOL, which has its own axe to grind.

(b) Did dearaol.com borrow lists from some of its member organizations like moveon.org that may have less-than pristine list management practices?

From: Suresh Ramasubramanian moveon.org has never been noted for good list management, like the case where they were inviting our ISP tech support staff, based out of hong kong, to participate in a rally outside the white house (what, and pay airfare + hotel for 8 people from hong kong to DC)?

Ahem. Declan's last message to me, a San Francisco Politech member, was about a security seminar today in an anarchist bookstore in Baltimore. Report that man as a *s*p*a*m*m*e*r*! Anti-spammers have a long history of making up totally arbitrary demands, like blocking all your innocent emails if you happen to own a domain name which appears in bulk messages sent by somebody else. But calling you a spammer if your email list doesn't track your recipients' physical location -- and avoid sending messages to each person if responding would involve more than X kilometers of travel -- is utterly egregious. John Gilmore _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]