[arrakistor@gmail.com: Wikipedia & Tor]
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Quoting Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>:
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This is a conversation with Jimmy Wales regarding how we can get Wikipedia to let Tor get through.
I completely fail to comprehend why Tor server operators consistently refuse to take responsibility for their crazed users.
On one hand, this shows a deep misunderstanding of Tor and its purposes. On the other, I remain disappointed in the number of vandals that take advantage of Tor and other anonymizing services. On the gripping hand, perhaps the Wiki philosophy is flawed. -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
What's the problem here? The Wikipedia guy sees lots of garbage coming out of IP address set {X} so he blocks said address set. Somewhat regrettable but no suprise, is it? On the other hand, doesn't it seem a little -odd- that the Tor network is already being "used" in this way? Granted, even I the great Tyler Durden was able to get a Tor client up-and-running, but I find it suspicious that this early wave of Tor users also happen to have a high % of vandals...something stinks. A very subtle attack, perhaps? If I were so-and-so, I consider it a real coup to stop the kinds of legitimate Wikipedia entries that might be made from Tor users. And if this is the case, you can bet that there are other "obvious" targets that have been hammered through Tor. In other words, someone said, "Two can play at this game." -TD
From: "Roy M. Silvernail" <roy@rant-central.com> To: cypherpunks@jfet.org Subject: Re: [arrakistor@gmail.com: Wikipedia & Tor] Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:02:09 -0400
Quoting Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>:
----- Forwarded message from Arrakis Tor <arrakistor@gmail.com> -----
This is a conversation with Jimmy Wales regarding how we can get Wikipedia to let Tor get through.
I completely fail to comprehend why Tor server operators consistently refuse to take responsibility for their crazed users.
On one hand, this shows a deep misunderstanding of Tor and its purposes. On the other, I remain disappointed in the number of vandals that take advantage of Tor and other anonymizing services. On the gripping hand, perhaps the Wiki philosophy is flawed. -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
-- From: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina@hotmail.com>
A very subtle attack, perhaps? If I were so-and-so, I consider it a real coup to stop the kinds of legitimate Wikipedia entries that might be made from Tor users. And if this is the case, you can bet that there are other "obvious" targets that have been hammered through Tor.
In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more valuable than reliable anonymity. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wE/La87xersBx39sShMCS6TkdqJr6DSYslVdXZkf 4GY6BRCS/b8OBic0E/U36X+dc1UIs2oNAkWyXXCQB
At 8:43 AM -0700 9/27/05, James A. Donald wrote:
In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more valuable than reliable anonymity.
Amen. And, at the extreme end of the curve, perfect psedudonymity *is* perfect anonymity. "Character. I wouldn't buy anything from a man with no character if he offered me all the bonds in Christendom." -- J. Pierpont Morgan, Testimony to Congress, 1913. Reputation is *everything* folks. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Quoting "R.A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>:
At 8:43 AM -0700 9/27/05, James A. Donald wrote:
In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more valuable than reliable anonymity.
Amen. And, at the extreme end of the curve, perfect psedudonymity *is* perfect anonymity.
"Character. I wouldn't buy anything from a man with no character if he offered me all the bonds in Christendom." -- J. Pierpont Morgan, Testimony to Congress, 1913.
Reputation is *everything* folks.
Damn good point. Now that I think of it, all the classic examples of "anonymous" publication were really pseudonymous. (Publius, et al) -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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