"Treason's posts, for the past week, have been like the rantings of a third grader." This is in itself rather derogatory and does nothing to quell the flames. "I'm glad some people on this list have the resources to prove him wrong." I suspect the gentleman in question was not displeased to learn something new, and, by contributing material that _was_ a few years out of sync, he was not trying to lower the quality of the discussion ... or dominate it ... he was trying to contribute. Easy does it, folks. -- richard ===== -- richard childers rchilder@us.oracle.com 1 415 506 2411 oracle data center -- unix systems & network administration "If Life is a drama, then, surely, the hardest parts go to the most skillful."