POLL: crypto hardware & Fwd: [Xen-devel] Announce of our Xen project; Routing simulation with Einar (fwd)
mmm, virtual machines... """ Some time before Christmas, a project was started. The task was to enhance an existing LiveCD solution with User-mode Linux. A number of requirements was stated, where the greatest challenge was to fit 10 virtual routers within an old no-name PC with only 256MB Ram. ... With this solution, students taking CCNA/CCNP level studies can have their own router lab on a bootable CD... The student can set up a virtual network of 10 routers or hosts, and exercise BGP, OSPF, ISIS and RIP routing. """ POLL: how many of you cypherpunks have a padlock enabled core at your disposal (C5P, C5J or +)? anyone who will have one within the next two months (if not now)? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com> Date: Mar 6, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: [Xen-devel] Announce of our Xen project; Routing simulation with Einar (fwd) To: netdev@vger.kernel.org This looks potentially useful for network development. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:06:11 +0100 From: Rickard Borgmdster <doktorn@sub.nu> To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: [Xen-devel] Announce of our Xen project; Routing simulation with Einar Hello all, Some time before Christmas, a project was started. The task was to enhance an existing LiveCD solution with User-mode Linux. A number of requirements was stated, where the greatest challenge was to fit 10 virtual routers within an old no-name PC with only 256MB Ram. And the solution must still be run from a LiveCD. Thanks to Xen, the task was possible to complete. -But, what does it do? With this solution, students taking CCNA/CCNP level studies can have their own router lab on a bootable CD. No need for expensive equipment. The student can set up a virtual network of 10 routers or hosts, and exercise BGP, OSPF, ISIS and RIP routing. The routing software is Quagga, whose interface is very similar to Ciscos native CLI. Feel free to download our first Release Candidate at the project website; http://www.isk.kth.se/proj/qroutix/ Please note that the name "Qroutix" isn't ment for the final product. We're currently phasing over to the new name, which will impact the URL eventually. If the abobe link doesn't work, please try: http://www.isk.kth.se/proj/einar/ Don't hesitate to mail me or Anders feedback if you like (or dislike) our project. Best regards Rickard Borgmdster _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:31:06AM -0800, coderman wrote:
POLL: how many of you cypherpunks have a padlock enabled core at your disposal (C5P, C5J or +)?
Here -- only RNG support, however. No AES yet. I'm waiting for C7.
anyone who will have one within the next two months (if not now)?
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On 3/6/06, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:
... Here -- only RNG support, however. No AES yet. I'm waiting for C7.
thanks; i'd be curious about general availability of the C5XL / single hw entropy source mainboards as well. (this board at least provides enough entropy for robust keying, even if ciphers and digests in software are a bit slow at ~1Ghz)
Will Esther at all ship in two months?
i'm not sure and i'm not too optimistic; some people do have limited/dev C5J boards to play with though... i reallly want to get my hands on an armful of nano-itx esther systems. :P
Thus spake coderman (coderman@gmail.com) [06/03/06 14:04]: : > Will Esther at all ship in two months? : : i'm not sure and i'm not too optimistic; some people do have : limited/dev C5J boards to play with though... : : i reallly want to get my hands on an armful of nano-itx esther systems. :P I've got five systems (three of which I use on a daily basis) with the Nehemiah core. A local supplier just notifed me the other day that they've now got Nano-ITX in stock, although they're still C3s. I'm not holding my breath for Esther; it was some time ago they announced their DP line, and I've yet to see any dual-processor C3s available for purchase. That being said, it looks like Gigabyte has a board ready for the C7. I still don't see any news on the actual *chip*, though. I'd really like to see a commercially available (there was a project some time ago to do a home-brew version) C7-based laptop...
On 3/9/06, Damian Gerow <dgerow@afflictions.org> wrote:
... I've got five systems (three of which I use on a daily basis) with the Nehemiah core.
i'm curious how you use them. care to share? my two main uses for the C5P systems are loop-aes w/padlock and key scrubbing for file storage and IPsec endpoints. i'll use the entropy on the C5XL boards for key generation as well.
A local supplier just notifed me the other day that they've now got Nano-ITX in stock, although they're still C3s.
wow, i didn't think these were going to be ready till Q3. did they have any specs? i'll look around today and see if i can find more details.
I'm not holding my breath for Esther; it was some time ago they announced their DP line, and I've yet to see any dual-processor C3s available for purchase.
yeah, i've been lusting after a dual proc board since they were revealed back in Q2 '04. perhaps the market just isn't there? other products announced later have made it into production before these SMP boards...
That being said, it looks like Gigabyte has a board ready for the C7. I still don't see any news on the actual *chip*, though.
the last 6-9 months seem to be a holding pattern of "working out the kinks".
I'd really like to see a commercially available (there was a project some time ago to do a home-brew version) C7-based laptop...
i'm wondering if the Balance systems will be updated with a C7 when available. not a great laptop, but would work nicely as a crypto accelerated endpoint: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3595030
Thus spake coderman (coderman@gmail.com) [10/03/06 12:31]: : > I've got five systems (three of which I use on a daily basis) with the : > Nehemiah core. : : i'm curious how you use them. care to share? : : my two main uses for the C5P systems are loop-aes w/padlock and key : scrubbing for file storage and IPsec endpoints. I use them for pretty much the same thing: IPSec endpoints, entropy, and Freenet (though that only really benefits from the entropy, IIRC). I have to admit, I don't make much use of the AES stuff on a daily basis. : > A local supplier just notifed me the other day that they've : > now got Nano-ITX in stock, although they're still C3s. : : wow, i didn't think these were going to be ready till Q3. did they : have any specs? i'll look around today and see if i can find more : details. EPIA-N8000E, EPIA-NL8000E, and EPIA-NL10000: <http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/nano_itx/epia_n/index.jsp> <http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/nano_itx/epia_nl/index.jsp> They're running somewhere around USD$300/per. If you're looking at them, where does the 'Luke CoreFusion processor' fit in? I remember them saying they'd be using Luke in the C7, but I'm hesitant to believe the C7 is already viable. (Actually, something else I'd like to see: A C7 with >4 on-board NICs, or a full-size ATX C7. They make great little routers.) : yeah, i've been lusting after a dual proc board since they were : revealed back in Q2 '04. perhaps the market just isn't there? other : products announced later have made it into production before these SMP : boards... VIA has a reputation for taking their time to bring products to market, after they've been announced. I'd love to be a fly on their walls to see just what the holdup is. : i'm wondering if the Balance systems will be updated with a C7 when : available. not a great laptop, but would work nicely as a crypto : accelerated endpoint: : : http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708 : http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3595030 Geez, I had no idea! Hopefully, as there's a C7 line dedicated to mobile computing, someone will pick these up. If not, it's back to the drawing board to make a home-brew laptop (assuming the chips -- and ideally even a DP configuration -- actually show up on the market).
On 3/10/06, Damian Gerow <dgerow@afflictions.org> wrote:
... If you're looking at them, where does the 'Luke CoreFusion processor' fit in? I remember them saying they'd be using Luke in the C7, but I'm hesitant to believe the C7 is already viable.
VIA's naming conventions are annoying; some names refer to the whole proc, some to just part of the core, and some to the whole CPU/north/south bridge collection. IIRC Luke is a smaller fab process (the eden-n) with the faster/improved north bridge support. it's still the C5P core (two entropy sources and AES accel.)
(Actually, something else I'd like to see: A C7 with >4 on-board NICs, or a full-size ATX C7. They make great little routers.)
www.routerboard.com has some PCI quad port NIC's with the same VIA rhine chips; unfortunately 2 NIC's is the most i've seen ship on the mini-itx. (routerboard also has a PCI to 4 x miniPCI adapter that is great for wireless gear) i've used the PCI riser/adapter to mount two PCI cards horizontally off the mini-itx for adding a quad port ethernet (4xtulip) and a quad mPCI filled with atheros CM9 radios. best little router you can ask for, IMHO.
Hopefully, as there's a C7 line dedicated to mobile computing, someone will pick these up. If not, it's back to the drawing board to make a home-brew laptop (assuming the chips -- and ideally even a DP configuration -- actually show up on the market).
this would be easy (easier at least) with a nano-itx form factor. i know they make boards with LVDS video built on, but they seem to be hard to get ahold of, mainly for OEM applications rather than direct retail. it will be interesting to see how this plays out...
Thus spake coderman (coderman@gmail.com) [11/03/06 01:59]: : > (Actually, something else I'd like to see: A C7 with >4 on-board NICs, or a : > full-size ATX C7. They make great little routers.) : : www.routerboard.com has some PCI quad port NIC's with the same VIA : rhine chips; unfortunately 2 NIC's is the most i've seen ship on the : mini-itx. : (routerboard also has a PCI to 4 x miniPCI adapter that is great for : wireless gear) I've contemplated going the quad-NIC route, but that still doesn't alleviate my two other requirements: RAID card and wireles adapter. : i've used the PCI riser/adapter to mount two PCI cards horizontally : off the mini-itx for adding a quad port ethernet (4xtulip) and a quad : mPCI filled with atheros CM9 radios. best little router you can ask : for, IMHO. Agreed. Until you require three physically distinct PCI cards. Unless there's a triple-riser card out there I've not yet come across (likely there is). What distinguishes the C5P from the C3? Aside from specs, I mean: how would I be able to identify one? (It's almost as if VIA is trying to kill the line off.) : this would be easy (easier at least) with a nano-itx form factor. i : know they make boards with LVDS video built on, but they seem to be : hard to get ahold of, mainly for OEM applications rather than direct : retail. it will be interesting to see how this plays out... <http://www.mini-itx.com/> has always seemed to have stock of LVDS-based boards. That's what I was using in the original C3-based home-brew laptop.
On 3/10/06, Damian Gerow <dgerow@afflictions.org> wrote:
... I've contemplated going the quad-NIC route, but that still doesn't alleviate my two other requirements: RAID card and wireles adapter.
yeah, for this you'd need the on board cardbus for wireless card, then use the two PCI slots for the RAID card and quad-NIC. as a plus, the boards with the cardbus slot usually have a compact flash port underneath if you want a diskless system.
What distinguishes the C5P from the C3? Aside from specs, I mean: how would I be able to identify one? (It's almost as if VIA is trying to kill the line off.)
the C3 was a larger fab process and had no padlock engine (neither entropy or AES). it's difficult to differentiate between a mainboard using a C3 and a mainboard using the C5. this drives me nuts! you have to look for the keyword "Nehemiah" or verify part/model #'s. and then Nehemiah may refer to either the C5XL or C5P core (C5XL == single entropy source, C5P == two entropy sources and AES)
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