Re: Flying with Libertarian Hawks
Damn right. 'Conservative' means agreeing with the most vocal proponents of the current right wing apparatchiks. It seems to have little or no relationship to fiscally conservative ideas. "Left wing" now refers to anyone who disagrees with the 'Conservatives', even if said left wing policies are practically identical to those of the 'right'. -TD
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv@cdc.gov> To: cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: Re: Flying with Libertarian Hawks Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:53:06 -0700
At 07:53 AM 9/10/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
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Is it possible for one to be libertarian about policies at home and neo-conservative about policies abroad? After all, isn't the principle of non-coercion incompatible with the interventionist policies of the current Administration? Simply put: is there such an animal as a libertarian hawk and if he exists, why do we so seldom hear from him?
On the contrary, the Ayn Rand institute has been taken over by vocal Zionists. They would never bomb Dimona but if a non-israeli semite even thinks about uranium, its missiles away.
Or if the South Koreans do a bit of clandestine enrichment, no big deal,
they're "our" *friends*.
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The only language the American people understand is dead Americans. -EC
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On 2004-09-10T12:02:12-0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
Damn right. 'Conservative' means agreeing with the most vocal proponents of the current right wing apparatchiks. It seems to have little or no relationship to fiscally conservative ideas.
Aren't the most vocal proponents of right-wing policies the Republican apparatchiks themselves? I think "the most vocal proponents of" is redundant.
"Left wing" now refers to anyone who disagrees with the 'Conservatives', even if said left wing policies are practically identical to those of the 'right'.
The notion of right-wing and left-wing as an axis/dimension is garbage. I think anyone who votes Republican is right-wing and anyone who votes Democrat is left-wing. There is no remotely accurate one-dimensional political scale, and left-wing or right-wing voting doesn't imply anything about a person's views on the two-dimensional (personal vs economic liberty) scale that seems to be "in" these days.
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
Damn right. 'Conservative' means agreeing with the most vocal proponents of the current right wing apparatchiks. It seems to have little or no relationship to fiscally conservative ideas. "Left wing" now refers to anyone who disagrees with the 'Conservatives', even if said left wing policies are practically identical to those of the 'right'.
Corollary: (Shamelessly stolen from the movie "Human Stain") They just keep getting dummer and more opinionated. -Chuck -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." - FDR
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