The one comment I'd make on the wolves vs sheep analogy is this. In the real world, there *are* wolves and sheep. Violence and coercion are part of life. Democracy, in a sense, recognizes the power implicit in large numbers of people. If they can't vote, they may revolt. No libertarian government will survive without the acceptance of the masses. A populace willing to countenance a Libertarian society would perhaps be wise enough to be entrusted with democracy, anyway. Hal Finney hfinney@shell.portal.com