For various reasons, what little faith I had left in the government has been whittled down to nill over the past year or so. And recent events (likely none of which any of you have heard of) have brought my faith in police to approximately the same level. Does this mean, after two years of semi-lurking, I'm on my way to becoming a cypherpunk? (As ASCII is not known for its ability to convey intent: I'm being facetious.)
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Damian Gerow wrote:
For various reasons, what little faith I had left in the government has been whittled down to nill over the past year or so. And recent events (likely none of which any of you have heard of) have brought my faith in police to approximately the same level.
Does this mean, after two years of semi-lurking, I'm on my way to becoming a cypherpunk?
No. It means you are on your way to becoming the next Tim C. May. Cypherpunks write code. :-)
(As ASCII is not known for its ability to convey intent: I'm being facetious.)
Ack. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF 'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.' St. George Tucker
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, J.A. Terranson wrote: A reply to a posting by affliction.org. When my MTA tried to pass it to the original poster, it was beaten down by a blacklist (SORBS). Sorry dude, but you've apparently got, or had, bot! Address and Port: 64.7.134.90 Record Created: Sat Sep 10 08:29:56 2005 GMT Record Updated: Sun Jan 8 09:54:01 2006 GMT Additional Information: Likely Trojaned Machine, host running Korgo trojan Currently active and flagged to be published in DNS If you wish to request a delisting please do so through the Support System. Let's see what it looks like today: mx1# nmap 64.7.134.90 Starting nmap 3.78 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-03-12 18:57 CST Interesting ports on asylum.afflictions.org (64.7.134.90): (The 1652 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 22/tcp open ssh 25/tcp open smtp 53/tcp open domain 80/tcp open http 110/tcp open pop3 143/tcp open imap 443/tcp open https 993/tcp open imaps 995/tcp open pop3s 5800/tcp open vnc-http 5900/tcp open vnc Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 77.327 seconds mx1# Well, you've got 993 and 995 open, so 110 and 143 should probably go away. Then, you've got VNC open to the worold: ARE YOU NUTS? Your DNS is not recursing, and that's OK, although I question your need to run one. Basically, you look OK, except that the world still believes you Got Bot. You may wanna give SORBS a heads-up that you fixed it. Sorry about the public posting, but it's the only way to get it to you. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF 'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.' St. George Tucker
Thus spake J.A. Terranson (measl@mfn.org) [12/03/06 20:41]: : A reply to a posting by affliction.org. When my MTA tried to pass it to : the original poster, it was beaten down by a blacklist (SORBS). Sorry : dude, but you've apparently got, or had, bot! It's actually an artifact of running a TOR proxy. I've de-listed myself from SORBS four times, and since then, I've just given up. I don't even run the TOR proxy anymore, and I haven't cared to get myself delisted. Maybe I should do it one more time... : Additional Information: Likely Trojaned Machine, host running Korgo trojan That's actually blatantly false. I've done full virus scans of every host on the network, and Korgo isn't anywhere to be found. This was the case each time. : Well, you've got 993 and 995 open, so 110 and 143 should probably go away. Good point. I never use POP3 externally anyhow. : Then, you've got VNC open to the worold: ARE YOU NUTS? Nope. My roommate requested it. I told him it's a bad idea. We're still hashing it out. What I'm tending towards is a tunnel-only SSH setup for him, but haven't had the time to play with it. (And I think you missed a few other open ports, but that's fine by me.) : Your DNS is not recursing, and that's OK, although I question your need to : run one. Basically, you look OK, except that the world still believes you : Got Bot. You may wanna give SORBS a heads-up that you fixed it. Sorry : about the public posting, but it's the only way to get it to you. I should hope my DNS isn't recursing. And I need it as I run my own domain, and haven't found a good, reliable DNS provider that will let me do everything I want to do (SPF, TXT, and LOC RRs, etc.). I find it strange that you were able to get to me without issues previously. I don't particularly mind that you posted publicy: if I felt uncomfortable running my network the way I do, then I wouldn't run it that way.
Thus spake J.A. Terranson (measl@mfn.org) [12/03/06 20:03]: : > Does this mean, after two years of semi-lurking, I'm on my way to becoming a : > cypherpunk? : : No. It means you are on your way to becoming the next Tim C. May. Hmmmm... I don't know if that's a good thing or not... : Cypherpunks write code. Yes, but /why/?
At 5:22 PM -0500 3/13/06, Damian Gerow wrote:
Yes, but /why/?
Tim would do it -- if he could :-) -- to watch it all fall down. If *I* could :-), it would be to make more stuff cheaper over time -- progress, in other words. We all have our reasons. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Thus spake R. A. Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) [13/03/06 17:55]: : We all have our reasons. I've known for years (it was on the website holding the subscription form) that cypherpunks write code. But I've never seen discussion behind the phrase, only of the phrase itself. I suppose in one sense, the statement, "Cypherpunks write code," answers the question itself. But aside from the obvious, I'm curious to know what individual reasons people have. If you (yes, you, the person reading this right now) write code, why do you do it? If you do /not/, but wish you did, why?
On 3/13/06, Damian Gerow <dgerow@afflictions.org> wrote:
I've known for years (it was on the website holding the subscription form) that cypherpunks write code. But I've never seen discussion behind the phrase, only of the phrase itself.
See "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto" at <http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html>. -- Greg Broiles, JD, LLM Tax, EA gbroiles@gmail.com (Lists only. Not for confidential communications.) Law Office of Gregory A. Broiles San Jose, CA
Thus spake Greg Broiles (gbroiles@gmail.com) [13/03/06 18:31]: : > I've known for years (it was on the website holding the subscription form) : > that cypherpunks write code. But I've never seen discussion behind the : > phrase, only of the phrase itself. : : See "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto" at : <http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html>. Now I know why Mr. Hughes 'writes code'. What about you? Or are you insinuating that Mr. Hughes speaks on your behalf?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Damian Gerow wrote:
Thus spake Greg Broiles (gbroiles@gmail.com) [13/03/06 18:31]: : > I've known for years (it was on the website holding the subscription form) : > that cypherpunks write code. But I've never seen discussion behind the : > phrase, only of the phrase itself. : : See "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto" at : <http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html>.
Now I know why Mr. Hughes 'writes code'. What about you? Or are you insinuating that Mr. Hughes speaks on your behalf?
In this forum, it is unlikely that anyone speaks on anyone elses behalf :-/ In all seriousness, except for the commonality of the CP agenda, self-identified "Cypherpunks" could not be categorized by any common property. I Wrote Code, and now help others to Write Code as a deliberately radical act in furtherance of my personal political agenda. I believe that only in *action* can a human claim the right to exist free of fetters, and that the most efficient action I can take is the one that impacts the most people with the least effort: code. In the end, I think that the code will set you free. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF 'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.' St. George Tucker
My 2 cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Gerow" <dgerow@afflictions.org> Subject: Re: On being a cypherpunk
Now I know why Mr. Hughes 'writes code'. What about you? Or are you insinuating that Mr. Hughes speaks on your behalf?
I write code because someone has to redeem my birthday after 1945 ushered in the atomic age. I write code because I live by "Judge a man by his works, not by his worth" Joe
On 3/13/06, Damian Gerow <dgerow@afflictions.org> wrote:
... I've known for years (it was on the website holding the subscription form) that cypherpunks write code. But I've never seen discussion behind the phrase, only of the phrase itself.
I suppose in one sense, the statement, "Cypherpunks write code," answers the question itself. But aside from the obvious, I'm curious to know what individual reasons people have.
If you (yes, you, the person reading this right now) write code, why do you do it?
i suppose an abridged description would be: i write code to facilitate personal privacy because i feel privacy is important and worthwhile for many reasons. i write code for those who want to take responsibility for their own privacy because governments and businesses will not give them the tools to do so. i write code to assist private communication because the ability to communicate freely is a fundamental and necessary aspect of any social context. i write code because it gives me a great deal of satisfaction to build something useful to myself and others.
Damian Gerow wrote:
If you (yes, you, the person reading this right now) write code, why do you do it?
To scratch an itch, and to get something done that isn't otherwise available. Granted, the last cypherpunkish thing I really worked on was attempting to standardize a PGP X-header, but hey... (and this was a bit before S-MIME, or even MIME attachments, became prevalent) -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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coderman
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