RE: Capitalism and economic struggles
Two people start businesses in the same town. Alice works hard, works long hours, concentrates on her business. Bob fails to do this. Alice drives Bob out of business.
The point is to balance consequences of everyone's actions for everyone. In your case, Alice works hard and drives Bob out of business because she gains something in it (as the smoker did gain something (pleasure) from smoking). But the smoker could gain the same pleasure from smoking at another time (though if smoking was forbidden everywhere, that would be a different matter) for little annoyance. Alice could not do with changing business to help Bob, this would be a huge strain on her. So, you see, there is a large difference in the two examples, though I grant you they seem similar. Now, you might also say that being exposed to the smoke is only a small inconvenience, but this is to be compared to the small inconvenience for the smoker. As a side note: I'd have different views on your example if Alice was specifically trying to get Bob out of business, and depending on the methods she was using to further these ends.
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What part of "Don't impose your ideals on others" do you not understand? Yes, someone may chose to smoke at a time which is convenient for you, but why should you be able to dictate that to someone else? Mind your own fucking business - even if it's just hypothetical. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Fri, 2 May 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote:
gain something (pleasure) from smoking). But the smoker could gain the same pleasure from smoking at another time (though if smoking was forbidden everywhere, that would be a different matter) for little annoyance.
On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 06:14 AM, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote:
As a side note: I'd have different views on your example if Alice was specifically trying to get Bob out of business, and depending on the methods she was using to further these ends.
Arguing "intent" in business matters comes very close to being pure "thoughtcrime." I was a participant in Intel Corporation's famous "CRUSH" program, a program to try to drive competitors, including AMD, out of business. If you think businesses are not trying to drive other businesses into bankruptcy, you need to wake up and look around. Nothing illegal about this, nothing unconstitutional. As with so-called "hate crimes" like burning effigies or crosses, existing laws about vandalism, trespassing, theft, etc., are more than enough. No additional laws about trying to drive a competitor out of business or burning a cross to protest the Holocaust Myth are needed. --TIm May "We are at war with Oceania. We have always been at war with Oceania." "We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia." "We are at war with Iraq. We have always been at war with Iraq. "We are at war with France. We have always been at war with France."
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