At 07:41 PM 11/11/2001 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
Looks like the announcement of the new use of sedition laws sure put a damper on the cypherpunks list, eh?
No matter how bad the civil liberties crackdown in a democracy eventually citizens and their servants tire of the costs and inconvenience. Perhaps some are have decided to lay low and wait for the chance to act rather than talk.
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 keyser-soze@hushmail.com wrote:
At 07:41 PM 11/11/2001 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
Looks like the announcement of the new use of sedition laws sure put a damper on the cypherpunks list, eh?
No matter how bad the civil liberties crackdown in a democracy eventually citizens and their servants tire of the costs and inconvenience. Perhaps some are have decided to lay low and wait for the chance to act rather than talk.
Or perhaps everyone is busy making the most of a three day weekend? I think you give our sheeple *far* too much credit. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 03:44 PM, keyser-soze@hushmail.com wrote:
At 07:41 PM 11/11/2001 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
Looks like the announcement of the new use of sedition laws sure put a damper on the cypherpunks list, eh?
No matter how bad the civil liberties crackdown in a democracy eventually citizens and their servants tire of the costs and inconvenience. Perhaps some are have decided to lay low and wait for the chance to act rather than talk.
Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for monkeywrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state moves. For security reasons, the location was not publicized. --Tim May "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001
Tim wrote:
Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for monkeywrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state moves.
For security reasons, the location was not publicized.
Yeah, that's that Buddhist retreat center, right? Very serene between weapons practice. S a n d y
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 06:40 PM, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Tim wrote:
Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for monkeywrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state moves.
For security reasons, the location was not publicized.
Yeah, that's that Buddhist retreat center, right? Very serene between weapons practice.
No, not that place. --Tim May "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael Shirley
Not the Girl scout camp again?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of Tim May Sent: 11 November, 2001 18:52 To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: Sedition
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 06:40 PM, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Tim wrote:
Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for monkeywrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state moves.
For security reasons, the location was not publicized.
Yeah, that's that Buddhist retreat center, right? Very serene between weapons practice.
No, not that place.
--Tim May "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael Shirley
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Tim wrote:
Several of us were in the Sierras this past weekend for a training session on weapons use, explosives, terrorism measures, and methods for monkeywrenching the U.S. government so as to paralyze its police state moves.
For security reasons, the location was not publicized.
Yeah, that's that Buddhist retreat center, right? Very serene between weapons practice.
Yeah, but the burning monks keep you awake at night :-(
S a n d y
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
More like corruption...the intimidation and suppression of moderate viewpoints through public ridicule, an ideological culling based on fears of association, and then a real or perceived compromise from which there is no return? Some would profess American Constitutional ideals, but use methods that strike me as distinctively un-American in character. ~Aimee "In troubled waters, there's good fishing."
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