Tim's whine (complaint) withstanding, I just got the January issue of Reason in the mail and of interest is Mike Godwin's interview of Bruce Sterling- Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling on media, design, fiction, and the future (p 42-50). It's worth a read. Regards, Matt-
On Dec 9, 2003, at 12:59 PM, Freematt357@aol.com wrote:
Tim's whine (complaint) withstanding, I just got the January issue of Reason in the mail and of interest is Mike Godwin's interview of Bruce Sterling- Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling on media, design, fiction, and the future (p 42-50). It's worth a read.
Regards, Matt-
All of you creeps complaining about my "whines" and "rants" should find a list to your liking. Perhaps a few of them could spring from this list: --the Bolshies could create a "Crypto Progressives" list or somesuch, and could explain earnestly (though dishonestly) that strong crypto will make people of color happier. --the appeasers who want to work with Cato, Cathy Young, the EFF, the CPSR, and other Washington "get along by going along" people could call themselves "Crypto Enthusiasts for Social Responsibility," or somesuch term which renders unto Caesar that which is CESRs. Since Eric Murray has expressed distaste with my views, and says he is also looking to stop hosting the lne.com node, perhaps these groups can be distributed from his node. As for you, Gaylor, you subscribe for a while, contribute nothing, vanish from the list for a couple of years, then resubscribe and immediately start ranting that I am not doing enough for the cause. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. --Tim May Quote of the Month: "It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks." --Cathy Young, "Reason Magazine," both enemies of liberty.
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:05:29PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
Since Eric Murray has expressed distaste with my views
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often.
Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead.
Ok, bye! <plonk> Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
On Dec 9, 2003, at 4:57 PM, Eric Murray wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:05:29PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
Since Eric Murray has expressed distaste with my views
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often.
Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead.
Ok, bye! <plonk>
Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
I hope he killfiles me in his lne.com files, as I am fed up with these Bolshies, fellow travellers, censors, and "why haven't you done more for the Cause!" whiners. --Tim May
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:57, Eric Murray wrote:
Ok, bye! <plonk>
Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
Shit, mine too. I really don't get what's happened to Tim. He used to be a great resource. Now he's even forgotten how to troll well. <shrug>
On Dec 9, 2003, at 8:46 PM, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:57, Eric Murray wrote:
Ok, bye! <plonk>
Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
Shit, mine too. I really don't get what's happened to Tim. He used to be a great resource. Now he's even forgotten how to troll well.
Good riddance. You've never contributed an iota to this list. --Tim May
At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote:
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often.
Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead.
Ok, bye! <plonk>
Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above. Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:26:22AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too.
Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it.
So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure). -- avva
At 3:58 PM +0200 12/10/03, Anatoly Vorobey wrote:
So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure).
Yup. On both counts. :-). Seriously, in IM, like AIM, for instance, you can do that kind of thing already. Well, you can not appear on someone's buddy list as logged on, anyway, but you get the same result, since it's P2P, and they can't talk to you if they can't see you. As for getting into someone's killfile on purpose, I leave that as an exercise for the reader. As a famous commie utopian sang once "it's easy if you try..." Of course, if you "Imagine" in one hand, and shit in the other, it's easy to see what you have more of... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
R. A. Hettinga wrote:
At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote:
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often.
Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead.
Ok, bye! <plonk>
Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile)
To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above.
Truth, maybe unfortunate truth. Of the list mails I've bothered to keep locally, Tim's are a larger proportion than anyone else's.
Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too.
Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it.
At 3:59 PM -0500 12/9/03, Freematt357@aol.com wrote:
Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling
Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. "Veridian", my ass. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
-- On 9 Dec 2003 at 23:44, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
At 3:59 PM -0500 12/9/03, Freematt357@aol.com wrote:
Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling
Green = Red.
Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie.
"Veridian", my ass.
Veridian green is entryist, not commie. The watermelons would perceive it as right entryist, or libertarian entryist. The standard green viewpoint is that if socialism retarded the advance of technology and lowered everyone's standard of living, that is actually a good thing. The Veridian green viewpoint is pro capitalist, and pro progress. As living standards rise, we are going to spend more on intangibles and natural beauty, and the interesting question is how to do this in a capitalist, hi-tech, framework. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG epHuXfKEnvIeemvmqgSFKseszn18SOm2XFpS1gtE 4dfA1f4lhc/Li4gceOzMvAQ8PDBLWJdfsG1+aFlm0
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:37:27AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
Veridian green is entryist, not commie. The watermelons would perceive it as right entryist, or libertarian entryist.
I don't know what "entryist" means. It might be helpful to define your terms.
The standard green viewpoint is that if socialism retarded the advance of technology and lowered everyone's standard of living, that is actually a good thing. The Veridian green viewpoint is pro capitalist, and pro progress.
If that is true, why can't it simply be called "capitalist?" I suspect because actual capitalists would have some problems with it. -Declan
Declan McCullagh wrote:
I don't know what "entryist" means. It might be helpful to define your terms.
Really? That's odd. Taking you at your word it means someone who joins (i.e. enters) a political party or another organisation in order to take it over and change it to their own point of view.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 03:31:22PM +0000, ken wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
I don't know what "entryist" means. It might be helpful to define your terms.
Really?
That's odd.
Taking you at your word it means someone who joins (i.e. enters) a political party or another organisation in order to take it over and change it to their own point of view.
Usually secretly, and usually more than one person. It's a practice carried out by both right and left. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
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Anatoly Vorobey -
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Eric Murray -
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Harmon Seaver -
James A. Donald -
ken -
R. A. Hettinga -
Roy M. Silvernail -
Tim May