Re: Another precious moment from shrub...
The really peculiar thing about Bush's speech was that while he was giving his war talk, you could see through the window behind him that people were flying kites in the park. How bizarre to juxtapose the fragile innocence of kite-flying with the harsh reality of warfare. And anyone notice that Rumsfield is losing it? At his last press conference he was shaky, he wasn't answering the questions, he was trailing off and losing his train of thought. Reminiscent of Reagan in his second term.
-- On 8 Oct 2001, at 8:40, Nomen Nescio wrote:
The really peculiar thing about Bush's speech was that while he was giving his war talk, you could see through the window behind him that people were flying kites in the park. How bizarre to juxtapose the fragile innocence of kite-flying with the harsh reality of warfare.
Not bizarre at all. All the images were very carefully planned. The non verbal images, the visuals, put the message that to protect our ordinary, everyday, innocent way of life, will require a heavy burden, a lot of warfare, carried out for a long time, with no quick victories.
And anyone notice that Rumsfield is losing it? At his last press conference he was shaky, he wasn't answering the questions, he was trailing off and losing his train of thought.
He was being asked questions that would reveal the US military strategy and tactics.
Reminiscent of Reagan in his second term.
That would be the term where he made the world safe for democracy and capitalism. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Fa0mlvZmzc53Lfp+ieaqeyJhWiQszGv4qymuiu7z 45NZIDFgSTWwJgcUaqG8gwv4+YfdqTXZRvg+ZVfjb
Reminiscent of Reagan in his second term.
That would be the term where he made the world safe for democracy and capitalism.
That would be the term that he became more and more comparable to Zippy the Pinhead. So, in your world, Latin America, all of Africa, most of the Middle east and just about all of the far east are safe for democracy and capitalism? Never mind the clampdown on even internal trade we're seeing in this extremely freedom loving country. Or don't you know anyone who actually distributes, well, just about anything for trade?
James A. Donald
Reagan did some things I approve of, but I do wonder how any sane person can assert he wasn't well on his way to becoming a vegetable during the second term.* I only hope that baby-Bush has advisors good enough to keep him, in the prime of his life, from making the mistakes his former antecedents made in their decline. -j * Many say that Reagan caused the fall of the Berlin Wall, the opening of Russia, etc. I am not sure I agree that his policies caused it - I do think they probably shoved a starving man off a cliff. I believe that he and Daddy Bush lost a fine geopolitical coup when they didn't offer "compassionate colonization" to the emergent Russian nation state. The IMF and WTO are only political instruments when the U.S. feels threatened, and because of that it lost the biggest strategic thrust since Germany attacked the USSR. The current disastrous counterattack is simply moving more slowly.
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Reminiscent of Reagan in his second term.
James A. Donald:
That would be the term where he made the world safe for democracy and capitalism.
On 8 Oct 2001, at 12:33, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
That would be the term that he became more and more comparable to Zippy the Pinhead.
So, in your world, Latin America, all of Africa, most of the Middle east and just about all of the far east are safe for democracy and capitalism?
Shortly before that term, the servants of the soviet union were waging war in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Afghanistan, Cambodia, and numerous other countries that have slipped my memory, making democracy impossible. During that term all these war efforts collapsed, or diminished to a pale shadow of their former selves, making democratic elections possible, elections that for the most part returned governments far more capitalist than the previous regimes. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG dMs8Ht5Amw3EJ/XR8FGZ7n0nocIlmOyHTc84GBe+ 4vP0f0vAH2BswH6CkQGgbe801RsROxdCpxvaCGdcq
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Shortly before that term, the servants of the soviet union were waging war in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Afghanistan, Cambodia, and numerous other countries that have slipped my memory, making democracy impossible.
Ditto for the united states...
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James A. Donald:
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During that term all these war efforts collapsed, or diminished to a pale shadow of their former selves, making democratic elections possible, elections that for the most part returned governments far more capitalist than the previous regimes.
Pardon, you're so right. Now that I reflect on it, I am positive that the free voting, free dealing citizens who democratically elected Perves Musharraf, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and Mullah Omar to wisely govern their free market economies feel they owe a great deal to dear Mr. Reagan. Almost as much as I feel towards our own democratically elected (7 to 2) Curious George. -j
-- James A. Donald:
During that term all these war efforts collapsed, or diminished to a pale shadow of their former selves, making democratic elections possible, elections that for the most part returned governments far more capitalist than the previous regimes.
On 18 Oct 2001, at 14:08, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
Now that I reflect on it, I am positive that the free voting, free dealing citizens who democratically elected Perves Musharraf, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and Mullah Omar
In Africa two Soviet sponsored tyrannies, both of which had been committing mass murder on an enormous scale, were overthrown though not replaced by democracies. In Latin America one Soviet sponsored tyranny was overthrown, and replaced by democracy, and several regimes that had been fighting wars against Soviet proxy troops supported by Cuba won victories, making it possible for them to become democracies. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG AGINX9oTMyKQsGjIxR8wxjhvRwgpxk9Zv/nJChti 4f+LPxl1uo4p5clUU/5ivss6GKI9WSXlZtBnp7c9f
At 01:51 AM 10/20/01 -0700, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
In Africa two Soviet sponsored tyrannies, both of which had been committing mass murder on an enormous scale, were overthrown though not replaced by democracies.
Do these two former-Soviet/current-? have names?
In Latin America one Soviet sponsored tyranny was overthrown, and replaced by democracy,
Name?
and several regimes that had been fighting wars against Soviet proxy troops supported by Cuba won victories, making it possible for them to become democracies.
Names?
-- James A. Donald:
In Africa two Soviet sponsored tyrannies, both of which had been committing mass murder on an enormous scale, were overthrown though not replaced by democracies.
On 20 Oct 2001, at 0:30, Reese wrote:
Do these two former-Soviet/current-? have names?
Ethiopia and Somalia. Observe how killing a few commies seems to have dramatically improved the Ethiopian rainfall :-) (For the sarcasm impaired, the reference to rainfall was ridicule for the pious excuses offered offered by US pinkos for the artificial famines created by the Ethiopian regime.)
In Latin America one Soviet sponsored tyranny was overthrown, and replaced by democracy,
Reese:
Name?
Nicaragua. James A. Donald:
and several regimes that had been fighting wars against Soviet proxy troops supported by Cuba won victories, making it possible for them to become democracies.
Reese:
Names?
Guatemala and El Salvador. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Hz7cuDrX7hY6JK0+6S0yqI7+36mHFL2I9FKNzfLJ 4hpQA43ILndkqfloN5siazG7Wn6s1w2aHizw2vlEU
At 08:40 AM 10/8/01 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
The really peculiar thing about Bush's speech was that while he was giving his war talk, you could see through the window behind him that people were flying kites in the park. How bizarre to juxtapose the fragile innocence of kite-flying with the harsh reality of warfare.
I saw this too. I was amazed; never have I seen this ad-hoc-ness in US CINC VIDEO, Inc. As for surreality factor, well, we've been pinned for a while.
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