Larry Ellison volunteers to donate the S/W for Nat. ID Cards
In the SJ Mercury News this morning: Ellison, (who doesn't think that laws pertaining to other people pertain to him, evidenced by his refusal to obey flight curfew laws regulating takeoffs and landings at SJ Airport) volunteers to donate all the Oracle-ware necessary to deploy National ID cards. For this act of patriotism he naturally gets lots of column inches of aggrandizement. He is quoted in the article as suggesting a card that stores your fingerprint, allowing authentication by a fingreprint reader. "'We're quite willing to provide the software for this absolutely free.'" "But Ellison said in the electronic age little privacy is left anyway" ... " 'This privacy you're concerned about is largely an illusion,' he said. 'All you have to give up is your illusions, not any of your privacy.'" "Howard Gantman, a spokesman for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif, said that she would be interested in discussing the idea with Ellison." Fuckwits. I'm concerned the possibility of Nat ID cards is a more virulent threat than wiretapping and crypto restrictions. "May I see your papers please?"
Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line. Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-) At 10:45 AM 09/23/2001 -0700, citizenQ wrote:
In the SJ Mercury News this morning: Ellison, (who doesn't think that laws pertaining to other people pertain to him, evidenced by his refusal to obey flight curfew laws regulating takeoffs and landings at SJ Airport) volunteers to donate all the Oracle-ware necessary to deploy National ID cards. For this act of patriotism he naturally gets lots of column inches of aggrandizement.
He is quoted in the article as suggesting a card that stores your fingerprint, allowing authentication by a fingreprint reader.
"'We're quite willing to provide the software for this absolutely free.'"
"But Ellison said in the electronic age little privacy is left anyway" ...
" 'This privacy you're concerned about is largely an illusion,' he said. 'All you have to give up is your illusions, not any of your privacy.'"
"Howard Gantman, a spokesman for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif, said that she would be interested in discussing the idea with Ellison."
Fuckwits. I'm concerned the possibility of Nat ID cards is a more virulent threat than wiretapping and crypto restrictions.
"May I see your papers please?"
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line.
Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-)
As the D.C. types would say, "that has no traction." Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a "Boycott Adobe" campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a "Boycott Oracle" campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards. As an Oracle investor for many years, I am ashamed that the President and CEO of a company I have long-owned is adopting the fascist and statist policies reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Ellison wishes Oracle to play the role of Krupp. "Ve vill volunteer our software, ja, in ze struggle." I would say he needs <censored>, and soon, but that might get me in trouble with the Securitat. So I'll leave it this way: FUCK ORACLE. FUCK LARRY ELLISON. Someday I will piss on his shallow grave. --Tim May
At 01:32 PM 09/23/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line.
Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-)
As the D.C. types would say, "that has no traction."
Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a "Boycott Adobe" campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a "Boycott Oracle" campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards.
Hey, it's today's newspaper, some of the cyberliberties crowd haven't even gotten up for the morning yet...
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 02:14 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 01:32 PM 09/23/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line.
Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-)
As the D.C. types would say, "that has no traction."
Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a "Boycott Adobe" campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a "Boycott Oracle" campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards.
Hey, it's today's newspaper, some of the cyberliberties crowd haven't even gotten up for the morning yet...
If the EFF does not demand a retraction, nay, an abject apology, from Larry Ellison and Oracle, then I will work to undermine the EFF in any way I can. FUCK ELLISON, FUCK ORACLE. --Tim May
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a "Boycott Adobe" campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a "Boycott Oracle" campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards.
First, let me say I too find Larry Ellison's comments extremely displeasing. This is in no way intended to imply otherwise. Tim, are you defending Adobe in that paragraph above? (I can't imagine that you would be, so I'm interested to hear such an argument, if that's the case.)
If the EFF does not demand a retraction, nay, an abject apology, from Larry Ellison and Oracle, then I will work to undermine the EFF in any way I can.
If I recall, boycottadobe.com happened two or three days after news of Abobe's actions became public. The EFF's response came even later. I wouldn't expect to see anything from the EFF about this the same day it becomes news, especially on a weekend. If we hear nothing from the EFF in the next week, that will certainly be cause for criticism of the organization.
Someday I will piss on his shallow grave.
Amen. -MW-
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a "Boycott Adobe" campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a "Boycott Oracle" campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards.
Say *intellectual* property rights. It's a whole different ballgame.
As an Oracle investor for many years, I am ashamed that the President and CEO of a company I have long-owned is adopting the fascist and statist policies reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
Why? Isn't that the rational course of action in a society where you can trap the federal government at large into using your software? Besides that's the sort of publicity stunt one would expect of any well managed company. Might even do good to your stock, no? Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy@iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
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