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an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined

Sunder>>...you have to agree that you also have no problem with capitalism. And mainly by competition in a free market << I have no problem at all with the operation of capitalism as envisaged by our esteemed colleague,james dalton bell. I have a very real and ongoing problem with anarcho-capitalism and Ill republish the hideous birth of that creature. Subject: Tim May: Arch Thief

http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/6805/articles/crypto/cypherpunks/may-virtual-comm...

Tim May; Dishonest sneak thief,coward and liar.

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"This essential anarchy is much more common than many think. Anarchy--the absence of a ruler telling one what to do--is common in many walks of life: choice of books to read, movies to see, friends to socialize with, etc. Anarchy does not mean complete freedom--one can, after all, only read the books which someone has written and had published--but it does mean freedom from external coercion. Anarchy as a concept, though, has been tainted by other associations. First, the "anarchy" here is not the anarchy of popular conception: lawlessness, disorder, chaos, and "anarchy."<<

Double trouble,ambivalence? sub-conscious guilt,nerves,sweaty fingers?Probably just running off at the mouth.

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Nor is it the bomb-throwing anarchy of the 19th century "black" anarchists, usually associated with Russia and labor movements.<<

Gee,I wonder how it got so tainted.

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Nor is it the "black flag" anarchy of anarcho-syndicalism and writers such as Proudhon.<<

Why ever not? The synergies and selling possibilities could be amazing,what a way to bridge the gap between the present and crypto-anarchy.We may see down the page why its "Nor".

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Rather, the anarchy being spoken of here is the anarchy of "absence of government" (literally, "an arch," without a chief or head).<<

Nowt to do with Proudon and some bomb throwing russians.Trust me,Im Tim May.Master thief.

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This is the same sense of anarchy used in "anarchocapitalism," the libertarian free market ideology which promotes voluntary, uncoerced economic transactions.<<

Grab a snatch and hold it.

[6] I devised the term crypto anarchy as a pun on crypto, meaning "hidden," on the use of "crypto" in combination with political views (as in Gore Vidal's famous charge to William F. Buckley: "You crypto

fascist!"),<<

Freudian slip,Tim,understandable though,under the circumstances.You crypto fascist.

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and of course because the technology of crypto makes this form of anarchy possible.<<

And the alteration of the meaning of words make grand theft anarchy,possible.Also the original libertarian socialist form possible.The form of anarchy Tim May will attempt to murder at any opportunity as a witness to his crime.

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The first presentation of this was in a 1988 "Manifesto," whimsically patterned after another famous manifesto.<<

By the notorious petty bourgeois authoritarian wrecker of the 1st International.Whimsical,Tim and telling.

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[7] Perhaps a more popularly understandable term, such as "cyber liberty," might have some advantages, but crypto anarchy has its own charm, I think.<<

Cyber liberty and Im outta here,cant stand the stench. It takes a word made their own by people willing to die for it and martyred for it many times in Tims own country and attempts to leech off it.Audacious thievery and knavery on scale ranking May with Goebbals.Charming as Newspeak.

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And anarchy in this sense does not mean local hierarchies don't exist, nor does it mean that no rulers exist. Groups outside the direct control of local governmental authorities may still have leaders, rulers, club presidents, elected bodies, etc. Many will not, though.<<

Whoopty doo.Tim invents the anarchist wheel.

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Politically, virtual communities outside the scope of local governmental control may present problems of law enforcement and tax

collection. (Some of us like this aspect.) Avoidance of coerced transactions can mean avoidance of taxes, avoidance of laws saying who one can sell to and who one can't, and so forth. It is likely that many will be >>unhappy that some are using cryptography to avoid laws designed to control behavior.&lt;&lt;

I like the word anarchy so Im going to steal it from its rightful owners,no one will catch me,Im invisible!

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National borders are becoming more transparent than ever to data. A flood of bits crosses the borders of most developed countries--phone lines, cables, fibers, satellite up/downlinks, and millions of diskettes, tapes, CDs, etc. >Stopping data at the borders is less than hopeless.<<

Stealing anarchy and loading it up with potted ayn randian,heinleinian lead weight is whats hopeless,mate.

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Finally, the ability to move data around the world at will, the ability to communicate to remote sites at will, means that a kind of "regulatory arbitrage" can be used to avoid legal roadblocks. For example, remailing into the U.S. from a site in the Netherlands...whose laws apply? (If one thinks that U.S. laws should apply to sites in the Netherlands, does Iraqi law apply in the U.S.? And so on.)<<

Drone on and on and on all you want,your not going to get far with a rebadged knock off of "anarchy"How do YOU sleep?

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This regulatory arbitrage is also useful for avoiding the welter of laws and regulations which operations in one country may face, including the "deep pockets" lawsuits so many in the U.S. face. Moving operations on the Net outside a >>litigious jurisdiction is one step to reduce this business liability. Like Swiss banks, but different.<<

Money,money,money must be funny...in a rich mans dreams.Still theres hope because later in conclusions Tim says ..."extremely dark things like anonymous markets for killings" may be possible.We live in hope,Tim,hope and ANARCHY!

Tim your lime pit is dug,the contracts are out.We don't just amputate limbs.